Just FYI, and apologies if you already know this, but most web-based messaging apps use desktop notifications to present incoming messages when out of focus. So the Pidgin-esque use case is theoretically covered. I routinely run Riot and occasionally am forced to use Slack, and both provide spoken notifications when out of focus.
That said, your document collaboration use case isn't covered by notifications, but we still have the customization for that.
I'm not sure if this applies or not, but as someone else has said, the ability to hear incoming messages in Pidgin was incredibly useful to me when I was working in a company that used IRC heavily. I couldn't imagine doing my job and staying up on top of all of the conversations I had to participate in if I had to jump between every open conversation every few minutes just to see if someone had said something recently. Similarly in the use case that Peter mentions below, I can see a situation where I'd definitely want to be getting updates on a document where I was collaborating with others while I went off to check my email or read something on wikipedia. If possible, I'd say this should be a toggle and the default should be off.
On 10/8/19 6:57 AM, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote:
Hello all,
I totally agree with Peter. I also really think we should disable this by default and let this configurable for advanced users that want to have notifications of background tabs.
Best regards,
Alex.
Le 08/10/2019 à 13:25, Peter Vágner a écrit :
Hello,
I definatelly agree with Mallory and NVDA and Mozilla folks on this.
Please consider the following use case:
* Firefox with three tabs
* First tab has an editing text document in Google docs showing,
* The second tab has spread sheet document also in google docs,
* Third tab has a wikipedia article I'm currently reading.
My colleagues are collaborating on those two documents I have open and orca will be reading all the corresponding background live region changes.
Do you think I like all these announced as they appear?
For long lasting background tasks, new submissions like articles, instant messages and similar we have got desktop style notifications that can be configured according to our preferences. I can't currently think of a web app that allows me to configure how much spam I'd like to get via live regions.
It looks as this will turn out to be a settings toggle according to other posts but I suggest to disable reporting background live region updates by default.
Greetings
Peter
Dňa 8. 10. 2019 o 13:01 Joanmarie Diggs napísal(a):
Hi Peter. I already know how to eliminate things from non-active tabs. I'm just waiting for consensus on the question I asked.
--joanie
On 10/8/19 4:54 AM, Peter Vágner via orca-list wrote:
Hello,
This thing is now solved for NVDA on Windows.
Jamie has came up with a clever trick on how to go about fixing it.
I guess something similar might also be doable within orca..
See his comment at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/1318#issuecomment-496722146 saying:
Firefox already provides a relation to get the tab document for a given accessible, as well as a relation to get the currently active document from the root. We could use those to fix this.
BTW what's that special live region suitable for instant messaging apps?
Greetings
Peter
Dňa 7. 10. 2019 o 10:00 Alex ARNAUD via orca-list napísal(a):
Le 05/10/2019 à 16:09, Fernando Botelho a écrit :
I agree. many instant messaging networks become usable to Linux systems through web interfaces,
There is a special live region type for instant messaging. Do you have use case in mind we could try?
Best regards.
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