Re: [orca-list] Gnome3, Orca and ArchLinux

["Albert Sten-Clanton" <albert e sten_clanton verizon net>]

Greetings!

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but I had thought that one of the
attributes of gnome 3 was that it was being created in part to improve
accessibility, and that recent changes in orca were themselves in part
intended to take advantage of gnome 3's improvements in this area.  If these
things are true, then I'd think the amount of accessibility breakage being
discussed here is a somewhat different animal from the kind you'd anticipate
from the early evolution of software that had not taken accessibility into
account enough.  Have I misunderstood something about gnome's or orca's
development here?

Thanks!

Al 

-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list-bounces gnome org [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On
Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 10:31 AM
To: orca-list
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Gnome3, Orca and ArchLinux

Hi Michael,

Good point. I basically have plans to set up a testbox here sometime in the
next week or two to try and hopefully test and track down some of these
accessibility issues. Hopefully if we, the users of this list can file bug
reports early on, the Gnome developers will be able to correct these issues
and something like Gnome 3.2 will be much more stable and accessible.

I definitely remember the early days of the Gnome 2.x development with
Gnopernicus, Gnome 2.4, etc and it was pretty poor compared to later updates
of Gnome. Accessibility really didn't get decent until Gnome
2.8 as I recall. So in hindsight I don't think Gnome 3 is as bad as it was
during the early Gnome 2.x days by a long shot. Its mainly just bugs and
things that need to be fixed. I think that if we work together to track down
these issues we can get Gnome 3.2 or 3.4 back up to the 2.32 standards we
once had.

On 5/6/11, Michael Whapples <mwhapples aim com> wrote:
> Hello,
> Firstly as Steve mentioned, part of the advantage of a GUI/menu system 
> is the discoverability of features. Yes bash may have bash completion, 
> but for that you need a clue how the command may start.
>
> On the topic of things going down hill in gnome 3, remember that the 
> gnome 2.x stuff was generally a evolutionary development, gnome 3 was 
> a major change and so problems should be expected. If people turn away 
> because of the problem then many of the issues will never be properly 
> pinned down. Think of all the man hours of use gnome 2.x had by the 
> time we got to gnome 2.32 and compare that to the number of man hours 
> of use gnome 3 has had.
>
> On specific issues with the gnome 3 interface, well all changes will 
> not suit someone. In my case I have decided to make use of most of the 
> underlying gnome 3 stuff but use the xfce desktop. At least the menu 
> works more how I want it. I am not totally free of all gnome 3 bugs, I 
> still get issues arising from at-spi2 as I am still using that.
>
> I would say if you can, possibly try and keep using gnome 3 or at 
> least what parts you can and as you find bugs then report them and 
> developers can try and fix them Mike Gorse manage to sort out one 
> crash I was getting at-spi2 within the last couple of days.
>
> Michael Whapples
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