Re: [orca-list] Gnome3, Orca and ArchLinux

[Steve Holmes <steve holmes88 gmail com>]

Not sure if gnome 3 changes in of themselves addressed a11y in any
special way, but the Orca 3 changes are largely intended to catch up
or I should say, keep up, with the gnome 3 changes to "keep" Orca at
the good level of performance that is intended.  It's like so many
other screen reader projects, It's always a game of catch up when the
overall environment changes in a big way.

On Sat, May 07, 2011 at 12:27:14PM -0400, Albert Sten-Clanton wrote:
> Greetings!
>
> Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but I had thought that one of the
> attributes of gnome 3 was that it was being created in part to improve
> accessibility, and that recent changes in orca were themselves in part
> intended to take advantage of gnome 3's improvements in this area.  If these
> things are true, then I'd think the amount of accessibility breakage being
> discussed here is a somewhat different animal from the kind you'd anticipate
> from the early evolution of software that had not taken accessibility into
> account enough.  Have I misunderstood something about gnome's or orca's
> development here?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Al 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: orca-list-bounces gnome org [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On
> Behalf Of Thomas Ward
> Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 10:31 AM
> To: orca-list
> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Gnome3, Orca and ArchLinux
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> Good point. I basically have plans to set up a testbox here sometime in the
> next week or two to try and hopefully test and track down some of these
> accessibility issues. Hopefully if we, the users of this list can file bug
> reports early on, the Gnome developers will be able to correct these issues
> and something like Gnome 3.2 will be much more stable and accessible.
>
> I definitely remember the early days of the Gnome 2.x development with
> Gnopernicus, Gnome 2.4, etc and it was pretty poor compared to later updates
> of Gnome. Accessibility really didn't get decent until Gnome
> 2.8 as I recall. So in hindsight I don't think Gnome 3 is as bad as it was
> during the early Gnome 2.x days by a long shot. Its mainly just bugs and
> things that need to be fixed. I think that if we work together to track down
> these issues we can get Gnome 3.2 or 3.4 back up to the 2.32 standards we
> once had.
>
> On 5/6/11, Michael Whapples <mwhapples aim com> wrote:
> > Hello,
> > Firstly as Steve mentioned, part of the advantage of a GUI/menu system 
> > is the discoverability of features. Yes bash may have bash completion, 
> > but for that you need a clue how the command may start.
> >
> > On the topic of things going down hill in gnome 3, remember that the 
> > gnome 2.x stuff was generally a evolutionary development, gnome 3 was 
> > a major change and so problems should be expected. If people turn away 
> > because of the problem then many of the issues will never be properly 
> > pinned down. Think of all the man hours of use gnome 2.x had by the 
> > time we got to gnome 2.32 and compare that to the number of man hours 
> > of use gnome 3 has had.
> >
> > On specific issues with the gnome 3 interface, well all changes will 
> > not suit someone. In my case I have decided to make use of most of the 
> > underlying gnome 3 stuff but use the xfce desktop. At least the menu 
> > works more how I want it. I am not totally free of all gnome 3 bugs, I 
> > still get issues arising from at-spi2 as I am still using that.
> >
> > I would say if you can, possibly try and keep using gnome 3 or at 
> > least what parts you can and as you find bugs then report them and 
> > developers can try and fix them Mike Gorse manage to sort out one 
> > crash I was getting at-spi2 within the last couple of days.
> >
> > Michael Whapples
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