Re: Vincent Untz and the "users that like to hate people"

[Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam whitemice org>]

On Mon, 2013-02-18 at 22:27 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Olav Vitters <olav vitters nl> wrote:
> > That is not what he's saying. The application/game should include a
> > desktop file. If it doesn't, it is a bug.
> A desktop file with a JAR file?
> I don't understand how to package it properly.

Java applications are packaged in MSIs, DEBs, and RPMs just like
everything else.  Those packages include a variety of 'support' files.
"Users" do not use JAR files, they use applications that are installed.

> > You seem to like to compare things with Windows. I don't recall having
> > to create a shortcut to *any* Windows game in at least the last 10
> > years.
> That's your usage pattern.
> There are some people who have whole desktop filled with shortcuts.
> Well, I understand GNOME Shell has different pattern.
> > So GNOME is bad because it does not include a device manager? I'm
> > totally not understanding what you're after. Various things are not
> > included in GNOME, that does not make anything bad.
> I'm not saying GNOME is bad.
> I'm saying that you probably cannot use GNOME without terminal.
> Another use case, what would you do when facing a new USB WiFi adapter
> not working out-of-the-box?

You'd debug it!  But that is *NOT* the task of the Desktop Environment.
GNOME does nothing to *get in the way of* you debugging a piece of
non-functional hardware.  Supporting hardware is not GNOME's task.

... I don't know how to say that any clearer.

> Master Adam Tauno Williams said we should only use lspci once :-)

Yes, I did.  And I'm right.  Running it multiple times is going to tell
you what?  cut-n-paste the output into gedit, Tomboy, bijiben,
whatever...  gather and organize all the information you need to debug
something.  That is how GOOD debugging is done.

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Adam Tauno Williams  GPG D95ED383
Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA