Re: Vincent Untz and the "users that like to hate people"

On Mon, 2013-02-18 at 22:27 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Olav Vitters <olav vitters nl> wrote:
That is not what he's saying. The application/game should include a
desktop file. If it doesn't, it is a bug.
A desktop file with a JAR file?
I don't understand how to package it properly.

Java applications are packaged in MSIs, DEBs, and RPMs just like
everything else.  Those packages include a variety of 'support' files.
"Users" do not use JAR files, they use applications that are installed.

You seem to like to compare things with Windows. I don't recall having
to create a shortcut to *any* Windows game in at least the last 10
That's your usage pattern.
There are some people who have whole desktop filled with shortcuts.
Well, I understand GNOME Shell has different pattern.
So GNOME is bad because it does not include a device manager? I'm
totally not understanding what you're after. Various things are not
included in GNOME, that does not make anything bad.
I'm not saying GNOME is bad.
I'm saying that you probably cannot use GNOME without terminal.
Another use case, what would you do when facing a new USB WiFi adapter
not working out-of-the-box?

You'd debug it!  But that is *NOT* the task of the Desktop Environment.
GNOME does nothing to *get in the way of* you debugging a piece of
non-functional hardware.  Supporting hardware is not GNOME's task.

... I don't know how to say that any clearer.

Master Adam Tauno Williams said we should only use lspci once :-)

Yes, I did.  And I'm right.  Running it multiple times is going to tell
you what?  cut-n-paste the output into gedit, Tomboy, bijiben,
whatever...  gather and organize all the information you need to debug
something.  That is how GOOD debugging is done.

Adam Tauno Williams  GPG D95ED383
Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA

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