Re: [Banshee-List] Mockup for Banshee 2.0 toolbar.

[Matt Sturgeon <mttza1 gmail com>]

Hi again,
thanks for all the comments.

I have filed a launchpad bug #690920 (which is linked to it's
counterpart on gnome-bugzilla) (LP:690920 is located here
https://bugs.launchpad.net/banshee/+bug/690920).
It would be nice if everyone who thinks any  of the >=5 mockups should
feature by banshee 2.0 mark the bug as affecting them. It would also
be nice if someone who has expieriance with GTK (and preferably
banshee) branch banshee and attempt to impliment the most popular
mockup.

Thanks guys :)

Remember:
The mockups is here: http://www.kicks.co.cc/banshee-mockup/
and the bugs are here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/banshee/+bug/690920

On 15 December 2010 23:46, Alex <alex112283 gmail com> wrote:
>
> 5b is my favorite yet.  5a also looks really good though.  I feel like 5a might be the best compromise between people like me who like a (5b), and people who like a shorter bar.
>
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 4:10 AM, Matt Sturgeon <mttza1 gmail com> wrote:
>>
>> OK, two alternative mockup 5's are now available at
>> kicks.co.cc/banshee-mockup they are labelled Mockup/Version 5a and 5b.
>> 5a uses the iTunes derived layout, and 5b the full width seek-slider.
>>
>> Comments/suggestions please ;)
>>
>> On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 21:39 +0000, Matt Sturgeon wrote:
>> > When you mention increasing the size of the top-panel-album-art do you
>> > mean on mockup 3 (and lower) or mockup 4? I assume you mean #4...
>> >
>> > Yes, it would be nice to have movable icons/controls - however I think
>> > (for now) simple GTK changes are the thing to do, as they take little
>> > time (for experienced developers - not me lol) and don't interrupt the
>> > main development - and as the main development goals are already set
>> > out, I think you should propose customizable layout for banshee 3, when
>> > it's design goals are being discussed.
>> >
>> > Thanks for all the comments guys - remember, the layered XCF (Gimp)
>> > files are hosted also, if you want to get editing.
>> >
>> > I will look at making the cover-art bigger soon. Any other suggestions I
>> > receive before uploading mockup 5 may well be included.
>> >
>> > On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 22:27 +0100, Tanuva wrote:
>> > > That indeed reminds me of iTunes which is not meant  criticism. As I'm a
>> > > fan of flashy cover art: What about cutting a little bit of the progress
>> > > bar from the left and stretching the cover art over the whole height of
>> > > the top bar? Imho it's still long enough afterwards... :)
>> > > The track data section seems fine to me as we've still enough space left
>> > > for long podcast tags.
>> > >
>> > > Marcel
>> > >
>> > > Am 14.12.2010 22:14, schrieb Matt Sturgeon:
>> > > > Ok, I have uploaded a forth mockup to
>> > > > http://www.kicks.co.cc/banshee-mockup which features an
>> > > > album-art/track-details section largely inspired by iTunes, which
>> > > > attempts to compromise between the small and large seek-sliders.
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks IBBoard for your comments.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 19:38 +0000, Matt Sturgeon wrote:
>> > > >> Ill look at some of those ways of finding a "middle" size..
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 19:21 +0000, IBBoard wrote:
>> > > >>> I think that works better for keeping the common buttons and info on the
>> > > >>> left-hand side, but I'm still not convinced about such a long search
>> > > >>> bar. You used iTunes as an example, but it only takes up around a third
>> > > >>> of the space at most. IMO then Media Player is possibly one of the worst
>> > > >>> examples of UI for a media player that you could come up with - I always
>> > > >>> hated it, and not just because it was completely non-standard.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Maybe if you dropped the Fullscreen button or removed the text, did
>> > > >>> something to compact the "repeat" button (not quite sure what at the
>> > > >>> moment - perhaps an icon like some MP3 players have?), and remove
>> > > >>> whatever the "Simplify" button is (I've not got it in 1.9.0) then you'd
>> > > >>> have enough space to put the slider between the album and the buttons on
>> > > >>> the right. It'd give it about 1/3 of the space, like iTunes, which would
>> > > >>> benefit those with what is probably the minority use case (films and
>> > > >>> audio books) but not be too large for those with the majority use case
>> > > >>> (MP3s/music).
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> I did also wonder about increasing the size of the album art slightly
>> > > >>> and moving the slider under the title and artists, but that would leave
>> > > >>> you with as fat a bar as if you left it where it is.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> On 14/12/10 18:38, Matt Sturgeon wrote:
>> > > >>>> I always got on better with the slider in fullscreen mode. Never worked
>> > > >>>> out exactly why, other than its larger, and you have more control.
>> > > >>>> ESPECIALLY if its long content - like a DVD - your watching/listening
>> > > >>>> to... Compared to the 4 minute tracks mentioned earlier, a 1 to 3 hour
>> > > >>>> DVD/Movie isn't going to seek well with, say, 3 centimetres of
>> > > >>>> control...
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Anyway, check out mockup 3 [http://www.kicks.co.cc/banshee-mockup] and
>> > > >>>> also see the (really) quick GTK mockup I put to gether in Glade
>> > > >>>> (attached, and coming to the mockup page soon).
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 12:19 -0600, Alex wrote:
>> > > >>>>> @ Samuel
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> If you seek often, (like I do with audio books news podcasts) then you
>> > > >>>>> know that the small slider is a pain because a small distance on the
>> > > >>>>> slider is many minutes of play time.  What that means is one can never
>> > > >>>>> get to the exact time one wants to be at on such a small slider.  Yes,
>> > > >>>>> you can manually expand the slider, but then all the track information
>> > > >>>>> at the top is completely unreadable.  With that in mind, having to
>> > > >>>>> make slightly larger motion with the mouse seems to be a non issue in
>> > > >>>>> my opinion.  I for one am more than happy to make a slightly larger
>> > > >>>>> motion with the mouse if it means that I can easily get to the exact
>> > > >>>>> play-time I'm looking for.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Matt Sturgeon<mttza1 gmail com>
>> > > >>>>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>           I think the point of the mockups is to create a better user
>> > > >>>>>           feel/ux by
>> > > >>>>>           a) adding a few extra pixels to the browser/main-section
>> > > >>>>>           vertically
>> > > >>>>>           (removing the status bar), b) moving the controls to one
>> > > >>>>>           toolbar and c)
>> > > >>>>>           making room for a wider seek slider and following a design
>> > > >>>>>           more
>> > > >>>>>           intuitive for new users from both Mac and Windows. see
>> > > >>>>>           attached
>> > > >>>>>           screenshots.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>           On Mon, 2010-12-13 at 21:47 +0100, Bertrand Lorentz wrote:
>> > > >>>>>           >   On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Matt Sturgeon
>> > > >>>>>           <mttza1 gmail com>   wrote:
>> > > >>>>>           >   >   Ok, sorry - the emails still arnt going through - im going
>> > > >>>>>           to host a
>> > > >>>>>           >   >   page on my website. The page is located here:
>> > > >>>>>           >   >   http://www.kicks.co.cc/banshee-mockup/
>> > > >>>>>           >
>> > > >>>>>           >   Thanks, I was just going to suggest you to do just that ;)
>> > > >>>>>           >   And thanks also for all those mockups !
>> > > >>>>>           >
>> > > >>>>>           >   I would be interested in hearing more about the UI/UX
>> > > >>>>>           problem(s)
>> > > >>>>>           >   you're trying to solve here, and about the improvements
>> > > >>>>>           those changes
>> > > >>>>>           >   bring to the user.
>> > > >>>>>           >
>> > > >>>>>           >   If one of those is about having a wider seek slider, I'd
>> > > >>>>>           like to hear
>> > > >>>>>           >   why you feel this is necessary.
>> > > >>>>>           >   With the current layout (1.9.0 and above), a slider that is
>> > > >>>>>           about 250
>> > > >>>>>           >   pixels wide fits comfortably on my 1280px wide screen. And
>> > > >>>>>           that gives
>> > > >>>>>           >   you about 1 pixel per second for your average 4 minutes
>> > > >>>>>           song. And
>> > > >>>>>           >   anyway, I rarely rewind or skip forward, and if I do, it's
>> > > >>>>>           more like
>> > > >>>>>           >   "let's go back near the start" or "let's skip the slow start
>> > > >>>>>           of that
>> > > >>>>>           >   song and go somewhere in the middle".
>> > > >>>>>           >   For the other, less frequent, use cases, like precision
>> > > >>>>>           seeking in an
>> > > >>>>>           >   hour long podcast, I think those should be handled through
>> > > >>>>>           the "Seek
>> > > >>>>>           >   to" dialog or bookmarks, maybe with additional refinements
>> > > >>>>>           to these
>> > > >>>>>           >   features.
>> > > >>>>>           >   (Yes, the "Seek to" dialog was a bit broken in 1.9.0, it's
>> > > >>>>>           fixed in git master).
>> > > >>>>>           >
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
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