Re: [Banshee-List] Mockup for Banshee 2.0 toolbar.

[Tanuva <tanuva googlemail com>]

That indeed reminds me of iTunes which is not meant  criticism. As I'm a 
fan of flashy cover art: What about cutting a little bit of the progress 
bar from the left and stretching the cover art over the whole height of 
the top bar? Imho it's still long enough afterwards... :)
The track data section seems fine to me as we've still enough space left 
for long podcast tags.

Marcel

Am 14.12.2010 22:14, schrieb Matt Sturgeon:
> Ok, I have uploaded a forth mockup to
> http://www.kicks.co.cc/banshee-mockup which features an
> album-art/track-details section largely inspired by iTunes, which
> attempts to compromise between the small and large seek-sliders.
>
> Thanks IBBoard for your comments.
>
>
> On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 19:38 +0000, Matt Sturgeon wrote:
> > Ill look at some of those ways of finding a "middle" size..
> >
> > On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 19:21 +0000, IBBoard wrote:
> > > I think that works better for keeping the common buttons and info on the
> > > left-hand side, but I'm still not convinced about such a long search
> > > bar. You used iTunes as an example, but it only takes up around a third
> > > of the space at most. IMO then Media Player is possibly one of the worst
> > > examples of UI for a media player that you could come up with - I always
> > > hated it, and not just because it was completely non-standard.
> > >
> > > Maybe if you dropped the Fullscreen button or removed the text, did
> > > something to compact the "repeat" button (not quite sure what at the
> > > moment - perhaps an icon like some MP3 players have?), and remove
> > > whatever the "Simplify" button is (I've not got it in 1.9.0) then you'd
> > > have enough space to put the slider between the album and the buttons on
> > > the right. It'd give it about 1/3 of the space, like iTunes, which would
> > > benefit those with what is probably the minority use case (films and
> > > audio books) but not be too large for those with the majority use case
> > > (MP3s/music).
> > >
> > > I did also wonder about increasing the size of the album art slightly
> > > and moving the slider under the title and artists, but that would leave
> > > you with as fat a bar as if you left it where it is.
> > >
> > > On 14/12/10 18:38, Matt Sturgeon wrote:
> > > > I always got on better with the slider in fullscreen mode. Never worked
> > > > out exactly why, other than its larger, and you have more control.
> > > > ESPECIALLY if its long content - like a DVD - your watching/listening
> > > > to... Compared to the 4 minute tracks mentioned earlier, a 1 to 3 hour
> > > > DVD/Movie isn't going to seek well with, say, 3 centimetres of
> > > > control...
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, check out mockup 3 [http://www.kicks.co.cc/banshee-mockup] and
> > > > also see the (really) quick GTK mockup I put to gether in Glade
> > > > (attached, and coming to the mockup page soon).
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 12:19 -0600, Alex wrote:
> > > > > @ Samuel
> > > > >
> > > > > If you seek often, (like I do with audio books news podcasts) then you
> > > > > know that the small slider is a pain because a small distance on the
> > > > > slider is many minutes of play time.  What that means is one can never
> > > > > get to the exact time one wants to be at on such a small slider.  Yes,
> > > > > you can manually expand the slider, but then all the track information
> > > > > at the top is completely unreadable.  With that in mind, having to
> > > > > make slightly larger motion with the mouse seems to be a non issue in
> > > > > my opinion.  I for one am more than happy to make a slightly larger
> > > > > motion with the mouse if it means that I can easily get to the exact
> > > > > play-time I'm looking for.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Matt Sturgeon<mttza1 gmail com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >           I think the point of the mockups is to create a better user
> > > > >           feel/ux by
> > > > >           a) adding a few extra pixels to the browser/main-section
> > > > >           vertically
> > > > >           (removing the status bar), b) moving the controls to one
> > > > >           toolbar and c)
> > > > >           making room for a wider seek slider and following a design
> > > > >           more
> > > > >           intuitive for new users from both Mac and Windows. see
> > > > >           attached
> > > > >           screenshots.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >           On Mon, 2010-12-13 at 21:47 +0100, Bertrand Lorentz wrote:
> > > > >           >   On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Matt Sturgeon
> > > > >           <mttza1 gmail com>   wrote:
> > > > >           >   >   Ok, sorry - the emails still arnt going through - im going
> > > > >           to host a
> > > > >           >   >   page on my website. The page is located here:
> > > > >           >   >   http://www.kicks.co.cc/banshee-mockup/
> > > > >           >
> > > > >           >   Thanks, I was just going to suggest you to do just that ;)
> > > > >           >   And thanks also for all those mockups !
> > > > >           >
> > > > >           >   I would be interested in hearing more about the UI/UX
> > > > >           problem(s)
> > > > >           >   you're trying to solve here, and about the improvements
> > > > >           those changes
> > > > >           >   bring to the user.
> > > > >           >
> > > > >           >   If one of those is about having a wider seek slider, I'd
> > > > >           like to hear
> > > > >           >   why you feel this is necessary.
> > > > >           >   With the current layout (1.9.0 and above), a slider that is
> > > > >           about 250
> > > > >           >   pixels wide fits comfortably on my 1280px wide screen. And
> > > > >           that gives
> > > > >           >   you about 1 pixel per second for your average 4 minutes
> > > > >           song. And
> > > > >           >   anyway, I rarely rewind or skip forward, and if I do, it's
> > > > >           more like
> > > > >           >   "let's go back near the start" or "let's skip the slow start
> > > > >           of that
> > > > >           >   song and go somewhere in the middle".
> > > > >           >   For the other, less frequent, use cases, like precision
> > > > >           seeking in an
> > > > >           >   hour long podcast, I think those should be handled through
> > > > >           the "Seek
> > > > >           >   to" dialog or bookmarks, maybe with additional refinements
> > > > >           to these
> > > > >           >   features.
> > > > >           >   (Yes, the "Seek to" dialog was a bit broken in 1.9.0, it's
> > > > >           fixed in git master).
> > > > >           >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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