Re: [orca-list] [Testers wanted before the official release] Slint64-4.2.1 release candidate is accessible.



That's too bad. When I brought this up with a Ubuntu release manager a few years ago, she shut down the debate and said that the needs of the disabled Ubuntu users outweigh the conveniences of the sighted users. I'm not sure if things have changed since then.


On 10/26/2017 03:07 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
It most certainly was not.

On Thu, 26 Oct 2017, John G Heim wrote:

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:43:54
From: John G Heim <jheim math wisc edu>
To: orca <orca-list gnome org>
Subject: Re: [orca-list] [Testers wanted before the official release]
    Slint64-4.2.1 release candidate is accessible.

Man, that is terrible. I can understand people being annoyed and complaining but as soon as the debian developers explained what that beep was for, that should have been the end of it.



On 10/26/2017 10:55 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
 Hi Didier,

 I like your second possible solution.? Sighted users on the debian-users
 list complained loudly when a single beep was included to let everyone
 know when it was time to enter boot parameters in a debian boot so that
 got removed.? This will accommodate them and us.

 On Thu, 26 Oct 2017, Didier Spaier wrote:

 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 08:51:09
 From: Didier Spaier <didier slint fr>
 To: orca-list <orca-list gnome org>
 Cc: Peter V?gner <pvdeejay gmail com>, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel panix com>
 Subject: Re: [orca-list] [Testers wanted before the official release]
 ??? Slint64-4.2.1 release candidate is accessible.

 Hello,

 Le 22/10/2017 ? 17:34, Peter V?gner a ?crit:
 Here is orca desktop file I have put into my
 ~/.config/autostart
 after I have commented out call to it and call to speech-dispatcher in
 the
 xinit config.

 [Desktop Entry]
 Type=Application
 Version=1.0
 Name=orca
 Exec=/usr/bin/orca
 AutostartCondition=[ -f ~/.config/startorca ]

 I have implemented that, but writing it in /etc/xdg/autostart as
 startorca.desktop.

 However, a sighted user that had not ~/.config/startorca reported here:
 https://forum.salixos.org/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=7429&p=43234#p43231
 Made some upgrades with gslapt and now I have someone talking when I
 open a browser. I can barely understand it. It sounds like English
 with a strong Swiss accent. :x

 How can I stop the talk?

 I answered in this thread, and write the conclusion below.

 The file /etc/xdg/autostart/startorca includes this line:
 AutostartCondition=[ -f ~/.config/startorca ]
 But actually the AutostartCondition was proposed in this post
 https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/2007-January/007436.html]
 but not accepted in the Desktop Application Autostart Specification:
 https://specifications.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-latest.html
 although Gnome seems to implement it.

 So this condition is ignored in our context thus orca is unconditionally
 autostarted. The reason why Firefox (also Thunderbird) speaks but not
 other apps in this context is that most apps need that some environment  parameter be properly set, which is done in .xinitrc when running startx
 only if ~/.config.startorca exists.

 To solve this issue I see two possibilities. I prefer the second one, as
 most users won't need speech in a graphical environment:
 1. If the user don't want sound, copy in ~/.config/autostart a file
 startorca.desktop including this line:
 Hidden=true

 2. Remove startorca.desktop from /etc/xdg/autostart and instead write it  in ~/.config/autostart only if the user wants speech in the desktop. If  she don't want it anymore she can either remove it or append in it this
 line:
 Hidden=true
 then we would set the accessibility parameters in .xinitrc if
 ~/.config/autostart/startorca.desktop exists, instead of if
 ~/.config/startorca exists.

 What do you think?

 Greetings,

 Didier


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