See Luke's story. Canonical no longer takes accessibility seriously. So right now we can do nothing.
On debian I guess accessibility veterans like Samuel Thibault and Mario Lang can significantly influence its accessibility developments.
And Hipra guys including Alex Arnaud are also rocking strong I would say.
Greetings
Peter
That's too bad. When I brought this up with a Ubuntu release manager a few years ago, she shut down the debate and said that the needs of the disabled Ubuntu users outweigh the conveniences of the sighted users. I'm not sure if things have changed since then.
On 10/26/2017 03:07 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
It most certainly was not.
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017, John G Heim wrote:
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:43:54
From: John G Heim <jheim math wisc edu>
To: orca <orca-list gnome org>
Subject: Re: [orca-list] [Testers wanted before the official release]
Slint64-4.2.1 release candidate is accessible.
Man, that is terrible. I can understand people being annoyed and complaining but as soon as the debian developers explained what that beep was for, that should have been the end of it.
On 10/26/2017 10:55 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
Hi Didier,______________________________
I like your second possible solution.? Sighted users on the debian-users
list complained loudly when a single beep was included to let everyone
know when it was time to enter boot parameters in a debian boot so that
got removed.? This will accommodate them and us.
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017, Didier Spaier wrote:
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 08:51:09
From: Didier Spaier <didier slint fr>
To: orca-list <orca-list gnome org>
Cc: Peter V?gner <pvdeejay gmail com>, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel panix com>
Subject: Re: [orca-list] [Testers wanted before the official release]
??? Slint64-4.2.1 release candidate is accessible.
Hello,
Le 22/10/2017 ? 17:34, Peter V?gner a ?crit:
Here is orca desktop file I have put into my
~/.config/autostart
after I have commented out call to it and call to speech-dispatcher in
the
xinit config.
[Desktop Entry]
Type=Application
Version=1.0
Name=orca
Exec=/usr/bin/orca
AutostartCondition=[ -f ~/.config/startorca ]
I have implemented that, but writing it in /etc/xdg/autostart as
startorca.desktop.
However, a sighted user that had not ~/.config/startorca reported here:
https://forum.salixos.org/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=7429&p=43234 #p43231
Made some upgrades with gslapt and now I have someone talking when I
open a browser. I can barely understand it. It sounds like English
with a strong Swiss accent. :x
How can I stop the talk?
I answered in this thread, and write the conclusion below.
The file /etc/xdg/autostart/startorca includes this line:
AutostartCondition=[ -f ~/.config/startorca ]
But actually the AutostartCondition was proposed in this post
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/2007-January/007 ]436.html
but not accepted in the Desktop Application Autostart Specification:
https://specifications.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/ autostart-spec-latest.html
although Gnome seems to implement it.
So this condition is ignored in our context thus orca is unconditionally
autostarted. The reason why Firefox (also Thunderbird) speaks but not
other apps in this context is that most apps need that some environment
parameter be properly set, which is done in .xinitrc when running startx
only if ~/.config.startorca exists.
To solve this issue I see two possibilities. I prefer the second one, as
most users won't need speech in a graphical environment:
1. If the user don't want sound, copy in ~/.config/autostart a file
startorca.desktop including this line:
Hidden=true
2. Remove startorca.desktop from /etc/xdg/autostart and instead write it
in ~/.config/autostart only if the user wants speech in the desktop. If
she don't want it anymore she can either remove it or append in it this
line:
Hidden=true
then we would set the accessibility parameters in .xinitrc if
~/.config/autostart/startorca.desktop exists, instead of if
~/.config/startorca exists.
What do you think?
Greetings,
Didier
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