Re: [orca-list] [Testers wanted before the official release] Slint64-4.2.1 release candidate is accessible.

[John G Heim <jheim math wisc edu>]

Man, that is terrible. I can understand people being annoyed and 
complaining but as soon as the debian developers explained what that 
beep was for, that should have been the end of it.



On 10/26/2017 10:55 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> Hi Didier,
>
> I like your second possible solution.  Sighted users on the debian-users 
> list complained loudly when a single beep was included to let everyone 
> know when it was time to enter boot parameters in a debian boot so that 
> got removed.  This will accommodate them and us.
>
> On Thu, 26 Oct 2017, Didier Spaier wrote:
>
> > Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 08:51:09
> > From: Didier Spaier <didier slint fr>
> > To: orca-list <orca-list gnome org>
> > Cc: Peter V?gner <pvdeejay gmail com>, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel panix com>
> > Subject: Re: [orca-list] [Testers wanted before the official release]
> >     Slint64-4.2.1 release candidate is accessible.
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Le 22/10/2017 ? 17:34, Peter V?gner a ?crit:
> > > Here is orca desktop file I have put into my
> > > ~/.config/autostart
> > > after I have commented out call to it and call to speech-dispatcher 
> > > in the
> > > xinit config.
> > >
> > > [Desktop Entry]
> > > Type=Application
> > > Version=1.0
> > > Name=orca
> > > Exec=/usr/bin/orca
> > > AutostartCondition=[ -f ~/.config/startorca ]
> >
> > I have implemented that, but writing it in /etc/xdg/autostart as
> > startorca.desktop.
> >
> > However, a sighted user that had not ~/.config/startorca reported here:
> > https://forum.salixos.org/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=7429&p=43234#p43231
> > > Made some upgrades with gslapt and now I have someone talking when I
> > > open a browser. I can barely understand it. It sounds like English
> > > with a strong Swiss accent. :x
> > >
> > > How can I stop the talk?
> >
> > I answered in this thread, and write the conclusion below.
> >
> > The file /etc/xdg/autostart/startorca includes this line:
> > AutostartCondition=[ -f ~/.config/startorca ]
> > But actually the AutostartCondition was proposed in this post
> > https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/2007-January/007436.html]
> > but not accepted in the Desktop Application Autostart Specification:
> > https://specifications.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-latest.html 
> >
> > although Gnome seems to implement it.
> >
> > So this condition is ignored in our context thus orca is unconditionally
> > autostarted. The reason why Firefox (also Thunderbird) speaks but not
> > other apps in this context is that most apps need that some environment
> > parameter be properly set, which is done in .xinitrc when running startx
> > only if ~/.config.startorca exists.
> >
> > To solve this issue I see two possibilities. I prefer the second one, as
> > most users won't need speech in a graphical environment:
> > 1. If the user don't want sound, copy in ~/.config/autostart a file
> > startorca.desktop including this line:
> > Hidden=true
> >
> > 2. Remove startorca.desktop from /etc/xdg/autostart and instead write it
> > in ~/.config/autostart only if the user wants speech in the desktop. If
> > she don't want it anymore she can either remove it or append in it this
> > line:
> > Hidden=true
> > then we would set the accessibility parameters in .xinitrc if
> > ~/.config/autostart/startorca.desktop exists, instead of if
> > ~/.config/startorca exists.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Didier