Re: [orca-list] [Testers wanted before the official release] Slint64-4.2.1 release candidate is accessible.

[Didier Spaier <didier slint fr>]

Hello,

Le 26/10/2017 à 19:14, Peter Vágner a écrit :
> Yes arch linux also includes all the accessibility stuff in the
> /etc/profile.d. I was thinking about it but I have never suggested it
> as I was not sure it's appropriate for slint too.

It's up to us all to decide what's appropriate for Slint ;)

If that doesn't hurt we could set these parameters in /etc/profile.d/orca.sh
as this won't hurt users who don't want speech as long as orca is
not started, right?

> Also I like an approach where you will use
> ~/.config/autostart/startorca.desktop as a check instead of
> ~/.config/startorca.

Actually we won't have to check anything, if orca is started by
~/.config/startorca.desktop and the parameters are already set in
/etc/profile.d/orca.sh

> However I am not sure on the
> Hidden=true
> desktop entry line. I think this won't disable the app from starting. It
> will only hide it from the menus won't it?

This is the main effect, but it also prevents autostart
as stated by the Desktop Application Autostart Specification:
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> When the .desktop file has the Hidden key set to true, the .desktop
> file MUST be ignored. When multiple .desktop files with the same name
> exists in multiple directories then only the Hidden key in the most
> important .desktop file must be considered: If it is set to true all
> .desktop files with the same name in the other directories MUST be
> ignored as well.
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If we end up putting startorca.desktop only in ~/.config/autostart/
not in /etc/xdg/autostart, this will still be useful, e.g; if the user
wanats to disable speech for som reason but alos easily get it back. 

> Also I think xdg stuff should be configured the same way no mather if
> accessibility is requested or not.

Yes if that has no adverse effect for users who do not want speech
which I assume. i will make some tests to be sure.

Also, as if I understand well lightdm is accessible with orca, lighter
and with less dependencies than recent versions of gdm, I will try it
with a gtk greeter.

Of course I'll let you know the outcome.

Greetings,

Didier
 
> 2017-10-26 18:41 GMT+02:00 Didier Spaier <didier slint fr>:
>
> > Hello Jude,
> >
> > Le 26/10/2017 à 17:55, Jude DaShiell a écrit :
> > > I like your second possible solution.  Sighted users on the
> > > debian-users list complained loudly when a single beep was included to
> > > let everyone know when it was time to enter boot parameters in a
> > > debian boot so that got removed.  This will accommodate them and us.
> >
> > Yes. And maybe even better....
> >
> > Do put startorca.desktop in ~/.config/autostart but also put the a11y
> > parameters settings in ~/.profile like this:
> > cut here
> > export PAGER=/usr/bin/most
> > export GROFF_ENCODING=UTF-8
> > export XDG_CACHE_HOME=/dev/shm/$(whoami)
> > mkdir -p /dev/shm/$(whoami)
> > chmod 700 /dev/shm/$(whoami)
> > export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=$XDG_CACHE_HOME
> > export LOGNAME="GDM"
> > export SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN="gtk"
> > export GTK_MODULES="gail:atk-bridge" # for GTK2
> > export GNOME_ACCESSIBILITY=1
> > export QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1 # for QT4
> > export QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1 # for QT5
> > cut here
> >
> > This way we wouldn't have to modify any xinitrc.*, so an user adding a
> > third party graphical environment would get speech and or braille
> > without having to do a post install configuration.
> >
> > I have made a few tests, that seems to work.
> >
> > Other benefit, this makes graphical environments also accessible in run
> > level 4, i.e. using a display manager.
> >
> > This is an incentive for me to get gdm to be accessible in Slint. If I
> > can succeed, maybe we could pretend that Slint is as much
> > accessible as a Linux distribution can be...
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Didier