Re: Gnome Web Plone Sprint
- From: Murray Cumming <murrayc murrayc com>
- To: David Bain <david bain alteroo com>
- Cc: gnome-web-list gnome org
- Subject: Re: Gnome Web Plone Sprint
- Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:17:47 +0100
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 09:00 -0500, David Bain wrote:
> @Murray,
> I know that you've been actively involved with this for a good while,
> so I can imagine your concerns are based on experience. It seems that
> we have a window of opportunity with some new persons actively making
> some valuable contributions.
>
> Can you make any suggestions, based on your experience, as to how we
> can ensure that we minimize the chaos?
>
> One implied
It's not implied. It's a simple request, made repeatedly. It's what I
want to see.
> suggestion from your most recent comment is "write verbose commit
> messages and remember to make changelog entries". I'm sure there are
> others.
I'm looking for something other than total open-ended chaos and total
lack of reponsiveness.
If I just see the following then I will be reassured:
a) Meaningful ChangeLog entries (commit message are irrelvant to me -
they can just be a copy of that), saying what was changed where, for
what reason, by who. Note that I'm not interested in a discussion about
changelog/commit-messages/svn/git ideologies.
b) Some sign that somebody knows roughly what needs to be done and when
that might be done - just to get a site up with our content and style.
Nevermind other fancy stuff like the DAAP.
But again, we are now well past the deadline. Even if you get this
working soonish, there's no guarantee that it will be used, if something
else better comes along in the meantime,
>
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Murray Cumming <murrayc murrayc com>
> wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 06:15 +0100, Carsten Senger wrote:
> > Hi Murray,
> >
> > for more than a year I read this list. I contributed small
> things during
> > the decision process but had no time to do work on
> gnomeweb-plone.
> >
> > There are results of the sprint during ploneconf and
> Jonathan worked on
> > wgo.theme since then, so I see a chance that the development
> comes to
> > speed. Putting the buildout into the collective on
> svn.plone.org is one
> > of the things that make it much easier to get contributions
> out of the
> > plone community. People like me are used to it.
>
>
> However, every commit that is made with an awful commit
> mesasge and no
> ChangeLog entry just increases my fear that this will never
> become less
> chaotic:
>
>
> make with
>
> >
> > So I tried to get involved today and find tasks that are
> usefull now,
> > but that's really hard. The wiki and bugzilla are really
> outdated and
> > there is no such thing like a gnomeweb-plone-team. I try to
> talk to the
> > people that sprinted in washington in the next days.
> >
> > To get a better overview and make it easier for others to
> start I plan
> > to do the following things in the next days:
> >
> > - I'll install a testsite on a public server and update it
> regulary.
> > The easiest way is to install it on my server, but I can
> install it to
> > any server if you want to. The testsite will be up in 1
> or 2 days.
> > - Then I try to update and extend the tasklist
> > http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/CmsSetup and do some more
> cleanup in
> > the wiki. Many things there are outdated and that makes
> it difficult
> > to get started
> > - Work on a repeatable way to fill new sites with conent and
> > prepare content
> >
> > The testsite is basically plone with a basic visual theme.
> It does not
> > hold the content that was in previews testsites. I try to
> fix that step
> > by step. Adapting Plone to the requirements of gnome.org
> will take a
> > while. Hopefully we can get a handfull of regulary
> contributing plone
> > developers.
> > Whenever we have a working state with notable progress I
> will update the
> > testsite.
> >
> > We will see if gnomeweb-plone makes good progress in the
> next weeks.
> > Setting other deadlines isn't possible in my opinion.
> >
> >
> > Murray Cumming schrieb:
> > > On Sat, 2008-10-18 at 19:59 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote:
> > >> On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 18:00 -0700, Jonathan Wilde wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> > >>
> > >> Which of these are regressions compared to the Plone 2
> version that was
> > >> running on a test site once? I realise that you'll have
> to guess the
> > >> answer (based on your understanding of Plone 2 & 3)
> because you probably
> > >> never saw that site.
> >
> > It's a big regression. If I understand it correctly we
> refactor code
> > from late 2007/early 2008. It misses much funktions, design
> and content
> > that I saw in testsites around late2006/early 2007. I also
> did not find
> > an repository with code from 2006/early 2007. If someone has
> that code,
> > it would be a great help. Also having a backup from an old
> testsite
> > would help.
> >
> > There was activity around PloneSoftwareCenter (DOAP,
> scalability).
> > PloneSoftwareCenter made substantial progress. I think most
> needed
> > adjusments are included in upstream today.
> >
> >
> > > In the meantime I tried to do a "buildout" of this new
> fork, using the
> > > instructions here:
> > > http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/PloneImplementation
> > > (Using wgo.buildout-dev instead of wgo.buildout. I guess
> you renamed
> > > that.)
> > >
> > > But when running the instance, and trying to look at it in
> a browser, I
> > > got this crash:
> > >
> > >
> murrayc murrayc-x61:~/checkouts/gnome224/gnomeweb-plone-fork2/wgo.buildout-dev$ ./bin/instance fg
> >
> > /home/murrayc/checkouts/gnome224/gnomeweb-plone-fork2/wgo.buildout-dev/parts/instance/bin/runzope -X debug-mode=on
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > end_element_ns
> > > self._cont_handler.endElementNS(pair, None)
> >
> > This was a missing file and some other small things.
> Jonathan fixed them
> > today.
> >
> >
> > >>> Here's my recommendations on how to finish up those
> tasks as fast as
> > >>> possible:
> > >>>
> > >>> 1. Create a publicly-visible task list of what
> needs to get done.
> > >>> We could use http://bugzilla.gnome.org/ or
> another hosted
> > >>> service, such as Remember the Milk.
> > >> There's no reason to use anything other than
> bugzilla.gnome.org or
> > >> live.gnome.org.
> >
> > That sounds good.
> >
> > >>
> > >> We had already been using the "beta" version in the
> website product in
> > >> bugzilla, with the Plone 2 site. Most of those bugs are
> probalby not
> > >> worth worrying about until the Plone 3 site is up and
> running. Again,
> > >> nothing should distract from getting that running -
> please don't
> > >> distract yourselves with attempts to add new features or
> improvements.
> >
> > I will install a testsite within two days. But it's no
> continuation of
> > the plone2-"beta". I did not find anything from a
> plone2-development
> > that we could integrate. But maybe I'm missing something.
> >
> >
> > ..Carsten
> >
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