Re: Getting Red Hat menus visible in Garnome??

["Joseph E. Sacco, PhD" <joseph_sacco comcast net>]

Python 2.2 ???  Hmmm.... 

The problem/solution to using "stable" GARNOME-2.10.x on an older system
that is missing some of the requisite tools is updating the minimal set
of required tools. 

If that set is small, you have two choices:

        * update the SYSTEM version of that set of tools, 
        which can certainly be more bother than it's worth.
        
        * install that set of tools under GARNOME install-root 

Beyond that, you are faced with updating the OS.

If a more recent version of python is the only tool you are missing,  I
would fetch a binary package and install it under the GARNOME
install-root and roll onwards...

As to the question, 'what is "stable" GARNOME?' 

Answer: A work in progress...

The GARNOME project is staffed only by volunteers.  That being said,
there are some things that we all would like to see in the "stable"
release:

* A pre-install script that sniffs around and tells you what you are
missing.

* a flawless build process that is launched by a single command.

* a post-install script that sets up a "reasonable" environment.

If you have the expertise, the free cycles, and would like to
contribute, please join us.


-Joseph

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On Wed, 2005-07-13 at 14:10 -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
> %% "Joseph E. Sacco, PhD" <joseph_sacco comcast net> writes:
> 
>   >> for menu editing for 2.10 menus. 
> 
>   jesp> Which is OK until you wander into the 2.11 branch [:-)]
> 
> Nah, not interested.  I'll take 2.12 when it comes out... presumably it
> will come with a menu editor of its own (there's one in development in
> the 2.11 Gnome project list but it won't build with 2.10).
> 
>   >> It looks very nice, BUT it's written in Python and relies on lots
>   >> of Python modules like PyGTK, PyXDG, etc.  most of which I don't
>   >> have on my system...
> 
>   jesp> Actually, you do...  Check out what you built in the bindings
>   jesp> directory.
> 
> No, I don't have this.  The Python installed with Red Hat 8.0 is too old
> to support PyGTK.  Rather than building a whole new Python for my
> Garnome install I just removed the reference to it (it's only used in
> the vte package, and I don't need Python bindings in my vte).
> 
> So, to support the menu editor I'd need to build/install Python into
> Garnome, then the other needed packages.
> 
>   >> I'm trying to decide whether it's worth building all that stuff
>   >> myself just for this.
> 
>   jesp> From the README:
> 
>   jesp>         GARNOME -- the bad-ass, bleeding edge GNOME distribution for
>   jesp>         testers and tweakers everywhere -- is finally released unto the
>   jesp>         teeming masses. If you're dying to test the latest GNOME code,
>   jesp>         but don't want to fall into the depraved addictions and
>   jesp>         co-dependencies of testing from anonymous CVS, then GARNOME is
>   jesp>         for you.
> 
>   jesp> If that's not you, then you are correct, it's not worth it. If that is
>   jesp> you, then wade on in... The water is not too deep [:-)]
> 
> Yeah, I know... this stuff is very simple to build (not like the Bad Old
> Days before autoconf & friends :-)).
> 
> But still... I'm not one of the people referred to above: I'm one of
> these people (also from the README):
> 
>   What is Stable GARNOME then?
>   ----------------------------
> 
>       Even though GARNOME is great for testers and bleeders, there are still
>       people who are stuck with, for whatever reason -- a machine with an old
>       version of GNOME (2.8, 2.6, 2.4, 2.2, 2.0, even 1.4!) who might want to
>       give their desktop a dose of stability and sanity with the new improved
>       funkeyness of GNOME 2.10, without annoying their admins, teachers, staff
>       or anyone that doesn't care that you might want to run a desktop
>       that comes from this millenium.
> 
> :-)
> 
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>  Paul D. Smith <psmith nortel com>           HASMAT--HA Software Mthds & Tools
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