Re: Still need a hint for undecorated windows

[Sasha Vasko <sasha aftercode net>]

Bradley T Hughes wrote:

> Sasha Vasko wrote:
>
> > Now I do belive that we already have a property allowing applications to
> > detect if they are decorated or not, which is _NET_FRAME_EXTENTS.
>
>
> This only happens *after* the client window is managed, though.  There 
> is not way to detect at application startup if the window manager 
> supports/allows turning off decorations. So app authors have to decide 

Nope, there is a way to get these prior to mapping self :

http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-1.4.html#id2506933


> > Its getting kinda silly with all the apps trying to push window managers
> > around in order to implement some funky ideas of theirs.
>
>
> I don't see it that way. I see it more as a way of trying to be 
> innovative and polite at the same time. Sure, they could use 
> override-redirect, but then focus handling goes right out the window. 
> But, if they want focus handling, they don't get a clean slate to work on.

Desire by applications to implement window management functionality 
themself, is no innovation, but arrogance. Window managers are there to 
provide consistent interface  to the user. I personally get irked when I 
see all the windows look similarly, except for strange hard-to-read 
darkish stripe that is representing XMMS. Real world example of this 
would be a car having a joystick instead of a steering weel, and a wierd 
knob on a dashboard instead of a gas pedal. Let gas pedals be gas pedals 
and window managers manage windows, and we all will end up in a better 
world.

Sasha Vasko