Re: Still need a hint for undecorated windows
- From: Sasha Vasko <sasha aftercode net>
- To: Bradley T Hughes <bhughes trolltech com>
- Cc: wm-spec-list gnome org
- Subject: Re: Still need a hint for undecorated windows
- Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:28:37 -0500
Bradley T Hughes wrote:
Sasha Vasko wrote:
Now I do belive that we already have a property allowing applications to
detect if they are decorated or not, which is _NET_FRAME_EXTENTS.
This only happens *after* the client window is managed, though. There
is not way to detect at application startup if the window manager
supports/allows turning off decorations. So app authors have to decide
Nope, there is a way to get these prior to mapping self :
Its getting kinda silly with all the apps trying to push window managers
around in order to implement some funky ideas of theirs.
I don't see it that way. I see it more as a way of trying to be
innovative and polite at the same time. Sure, they could use
override-redirect, but then focus handling goes right out the window.
But, if they want focus handling, they don't get a clean slate to work on.
Desire by applications to implement window management functionality
themself, is no innovation, but arrogance. Window managers are there to
provide consistent interface to the user. I personally get irked when I
see all the windows look similarly, except for strange hard-to-read
darkish stripe that is representing XMMS. Real world example of this
would be a car having a joystick instead of a steering weel, and a wierd
knob on a dashboard instead of a gas pedal. Let gas pedals be gas pedals
and window managers manage windows, and we all will end up in a better
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