Re: Still need a hint for undecorated windows

[Bradley T Hughes <bhughes trolltech com>]

Sasha Vasko wrote:
> Now I do belive that we already have a property allowing applications to
> detect if they are decorated or not, which is _NET_FRAME_EXTENTS.

This only happens *after* the client window is managed, though.  There 
is not way to detect at application startup if the window manager 
supports/allows turning off decorations. So app authors have to decide 
which is their default (I can already guess what it will be), and then 
adjust their UI once they've been shown.

> As far as adding a property to request no frame decor, I think Motif
> hints are perfectly good, having an advantage of completely covering the
> purpose and being around for long enought for ppl to take notice. Quite
> honestly I think that any WM concious of user wishes, should provide
> configuration means for user to define what apps should and should not
> get decorations.

Using _MOTIF_WM_HINTS does work, and it seems to be the consensus that 
this should be the canonical approach to doing it. What about listing it 
in _NET_SUPPORTED? This will at least give app authors the possibility 
of making an informed decision as to what the interface should look like.

> Its getting kinda silly with all the apps trying to push window managers
> around in order to implement some funky ideas of theirs.

I don't see it that way. I see it more as a way of trying to be 
innovative and polite at the same time. Sure, they could use 
override-redirect, but then focus handling goes right out the window. 
But, if they want focus handling, they don't get a clean slate to work on.

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