Re: [orca-list] Orca not indicating that a Firefox text entry is writable
- From: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>
- To: Peter Vágner <pvdeejay gmail com>
- Cc: Nolan Darilek <nolan thewordnerd info>, Orca List <orca-list gnome org>
- Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca not indicating that a Firefox text entry is writable
- Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 13:42:02 -0500
That's how I did the fixes Peter.
--joanie
On 02/08/2018 01:34 PM, Peter Vágner wrote:
Hello,
I haven't yet verified the fix as I can't pull from the gnome git repo
because of some kind of technical issue right now.
However still while the matrix.org <http://matrix.org>, riot.im
<http://riot.im> and the related stuff is at least marginally on topic
I'd like to add that igalia is also running a matrix server so I assume
you can just login to whatever instance of riot with your Igalia account
i.e. @jdiggs:igalia.com <http://igalia.com> at least I've seen Adrian
and Pablo chatting using igalian matrix accounts a month ago or so.
Ihave found out there is the |igalia specific instance of Riot at
https://riot.igalia.com.
I know it is not helpfull for this talk, however it becomes helpfull
hint when we'll be talking about matrix.org <http://matrix.org> adoption
at some point.
Thanks and greetings
Peter
2018-02-07 21:35 GMT+01:00 Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com
<mailto:jdiggs igalia com>>:
Aha. This should now be fixed in master, along with some other issues I
found along the way. One known-issue which I still have to look into is
that when you backspace in that entry, Orca is getting a text
notification that text which was not removed was actually removed. It
may be a case of the widget nuking everything there and replacing it.
So.... With the above caveat in mind: How is are these entries working
for you now?
Thanks again!
--joanie
On 02/07/2018 01:17 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
> When you actually create a username, then enter the chatroom. The only
> area that doesn't indicate editable state is the message entry
area. And
> that indication is inconsistent. Tabbing to it speaks correctly.
> Navigating by e/E doesn't.
>
>
> Thanks a bunch!
>
>
>
> On 02/07/2018 12:15 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
>> When I follow those steps I get a "To get started, pick a username!"
>> entry. Because Orca calls it an entry and not editable content, I'm
>> guessing that's not the entry you're talking about. Which one is?
>>
>> On 02/07/2018 11:45 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
>>> This change still speaks the specific area as just "blank," but
it does
>>> indicate that the Thunderbird message area is editable now, so I
think
>>> it should stay.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you don't mind creating an account, you can access
>>> https://riot.im/app, click one of the rooms (Matrix HQ), click the
>>> button to join the discussion, then create a username. Sorry, I wish
>>> there was some way of snapshotting a running web app so I could
capture
>>> state at the time of the bug.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02/07/2018 10:39 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
>>>> Hi again.
>>>>
>>>> For my test case, Orca was not finding all editable content
items with
>>>> quick nav key "e". So I just committed a change to master to
address
>>>> that too. Please test and let me know.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> --joanie
>>>>
>>>> On 02/07/2018 05:20 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for the double posting. I have looked into this one more
time.
>>>>> I have found out, orca can find this element when pressing the
edit
>>>>> field quick nav key however it is only presenting its content.
>>>>> I think this is tricky as this is kind of an editor where you can
>>>>> compose rich formatted message. We need to compare how e.g. gmail,
>>>>> etherpad and other similar apps are doing it. Still I believe this
>>>>> might
>>>>> be more a web authoring issue than an orca issue. And other screen
>>>>> readers may opt to workaround it because it's quite frequent
on the
>>>>> web.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2018-02-06 20:53 GMT+01:00 Peter Vágner <pvdeejay gmail com
<mailto:pvdeejay gmail com>
>>>>> <mailto:pvdeejay gmail com <mailto:pvdeejay gmail com>>>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Nolan,
>>>>>
>>>>> The issue where orca is unable to identify Riot.im input
area as
>>>>> editable text navigable to via quick nav key in browse
mode is
>>>>> partially an orca issue and partially matrix-react-sdk
issue I
>>>>> guess.
>>>>>
>>>>> The riot.im <http://riot.im> <http://riot.im> issue is
that this is simply a html
>>>>> div
>>>>> with a lot of javascript functionality and the role is
set via
>>>>> aria.
>>>>>
>>>>> Orca is skipping over it, however NVDA can navigate to
it via
>>>>> quick nav.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a WIP PR which might address this at the
riot.im <http://riot.im>
>>>>> <http://riot.im> side of things:
>>>>> https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk/pull/1561
<https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk/pull/1561>
>>>>>
<https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk/pull/1561
<https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk/pull/1561>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Also there is an #a11y:matrix.org <http://matrix.org>
<http://matrix.org> room for
>>>>> discussing Riot accessibility. There is not much activity
>>>>> currently
>>>>> however it would be nice to talk more about over
verbosity of
>>>>> messages time line view, fixing corresponding live
region not
>>>>> to be
>>>>> active wich each text change in that part including
scrolling
>>>>> and
>>>>> similar.
>>>>> I am not currently working on it however I am looking for a
>>>>> way on
>>>>> how to make it work. I was thinking about using aria-hidden
>>>>> on the
>>>>> icons entangled within the text and flip the aria-hidden on
>>>>> these
>>>>> when focussing on them via tab / shift + tab. In such a
case we
>>>>> would get nice brief experience when reading with browse
mode
>>>>> and we
>>>>> might still be able to activate controls not presented
to screen
>>>>> reader users by default. However this is clear abuse of
ARIA, I
>>>>> think it's against aria best practices and very likelly
to be
>>>>> hated
>>>>> by accessibility evangelists. So I would be happy to talk
>>>>> about it
>>>>> to someone who might potentially like to help me to
clear up my
>>>>> mind.
>>>>>
>>>>> I apologize for an off-topic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2018-02-06 19:55 GMT+01:00 Joanmarie Diggs
<jdiggs igalia com <mailto:jdiggs igalia com>
>>>>> <mailto:jdiggs igalia com <mailto:jdiggs igalia com>>>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the report Nolan. I'll add this to my list.
>>>>> --joanie
>>>>>
>>>>> On 02/06/2018 11:41 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
>>>>> > Hey, as usual, not sure whether this is an Orca or
Firefox
>>>>> issue. I'm
>>>>> > making accessibility tweaks in the Riot Matrix web
client,
>>>>> and
>>>>> notice
>>>>> > that when I use e/E to navigate between text entry
fields
>>>>> with
>>>>> Orca
>>>>> > master, the message entry field just speaks
"blank" rather
>>>>> than "entry".
>>>>> > Is this something wrong with the web markup? If
so, then I
>>>>> can
>>>>> fix that.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Here's a debug log of me flipping through text entries
>>>>> in the
>>>>> app. There
>>>>> > are 3:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jkjdw0txnftvbhr/debug.out?dl=0
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/jkjdw0txnftvbhr/debug.out?dl=0>
>>>>>
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/jkjdw0txnftvbhr/debug.out?dl=0
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/jkjdw0txnftvbhr/debug.out?dl=0>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > As an aside, this field has a placeholder, not a
label.
>>>>> Not
>>>>> sure if that
>>>>> > has anything to do with why it isn't presented
>>>>> correctly, but
>>>>> I hope the
>>>>> > placeholder is read when using e/E to navigate.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > _______________________________________________
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<https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca>
>>>>> <https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
<https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca>>
>>>>> > Orca documentation:
>>>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
<https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/>
>>>>> <https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
<https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/>>
>>>>> > GNOME Universal Access guide:
>>>>> >
https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
<https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html>
>>>>>
<https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
<https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html>>
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>>>>> >
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>>>>> <https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
<https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca>>
>>>>> Orca documentation:
>>>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
<https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/>
>>>>> <https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
<https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/>>
>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide:
>>>>>
https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
<https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html>
>>>>>
<https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
<https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html>>
>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at
http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>
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