Re: [orca-list] Orca not indicating that a Firefox text entry is writable

[Nolan Darilek <nolan thewordnerd info>]

This change still speaks the specific area as just "blank," but it does 
indicate that the Thunderbird message area is editable now, so I think 
it should stay.


If you don't mind creating an account, you can access 
https://riot.im/app, click one of the rooms (Matrix HQ), click the 
button to join the discussion, then create a username. Sorry, I wish 
there was some way of snapshotting a running web app so I could capture 
state at the time of the bug.




On 02/07/2018 10:39 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Hi again.
>
> For my test case, Orca was not finding all editable content items with
> quick nav key "e". So I just committed a change to master to address
> that too. Please test and let me know.
>
> Thanks!
> --joanie
>
> On 02/07/2018 05:20 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Sorry for the double posting. I have looked into this one more time.
> > I have found out, orca can find this element when pressing the edit
> > field quick nav key however it is only presenting its content.
> > I think this is tricky as this is kind of an editor where you can
> > compose rich formatted message. We need to compare how e.g. gmail,
> > etherpad and other similar apps are doing it. Still I believe this might
> > be more a web authoring issue than an orca issue. And other screen
> > readers may opt to workaround it because it's quite frequent on the web.
> >
> >
> > Greetings
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > 2018-02-06 20:53 GMT+01:00 Peter Vágner <pvdeejay gmail com
> > <mailto:pvdeejay gmail com>>:
> >
> >      Hey Nolan,
> >
> >      The issue where orca is unable to identify Riot.im input area as
> >      editable text navigable to via quick nav key in browse mode is
> >      partially an orca issue and partially matrix-react-sdk issue I guess.
> >
> >      The riot.im <http://riot.im> issue is that this is simply a html div
> >      with a lot of javascript functionality and the role is set via aria.
> >
> >      Orca is skipping over it, however NVDA can navigate to it via quick nav.
> >
> >      There is a WIP PR which might address this at the riot.im
> >      <http://riot.im> side of things:
> >      https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk/pull/1561
> >      <https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk/pull/1561>
> >
> >      Also there is an #a11y:matrix.org <http://matrix.org> room for
> >      discussing Riot accessibility. There is not much activity currently
> >      however it would be nice to talk more about over verbosity of
> >      messages time line view, fixing corresponding live region not to be
> >      active wich each text change in that part including scrolling and
> >      similar.
> >      I am not currently working on it however I am looking for a way on
> >      how to make it work. I was thinking about using aria-hidden on the
> >      icons entangled within the text and flip the aria-hidden on these
> >      when focussing on them via tab / shift + tab. In such a case we
> >      would get nice brief experience when reading with browse mode and we
> >      might still be able to activate controls not presented to screen
> >      reader users by default. However this is clear abuse of ARIA, I
> >      think it's against aria best practices and very likelly to be hated
> >      by accessibility evangelists. So I would be happy to talk about it
> >      to someone who might potentially like to help me to clear up my mind.
> >
> >      I apologize for an off-topic.
> >
> >      Greetings
> >
> >      Peter
> >
> >
> >
> >      2018-02-06 19:55 GMT+01:00 Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com
> >      <mailto:jdiggs igalia com>>:
> >
> >          Thanks for the report Nolan. I'll add this to my list.
> >          --joanie
> >
> >          On 02/06/2018 11:41 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
> >          > Hey, as usual, not sure whether this is an Orca or Firefox
> >          issue. I'm
> >          > making accessibility tweaks in the Riot Matrix web client, and
> >          notice
> >          > that when I use e/E to navigate between text entry fields with
> >          Orca
> >          > master, the message entry field just speaks "blank" rather
> >          than "entry".
> >          > Is this something wrong with the web markup? If so, then I can
> >          fix that.
> >          >
> >          >
> >          > Here's a debug log of me flipping through text entries in the
> >          app. There
> >          > are 3:
> >          >
> >          >
> >          > https://www.dropbox.com/s/jkjdw0txnftvbhr/debug.out?dl=0
> >          <https://www.dropbox.com/s/jkjdw0txnftvbhr/debug.out?dl=0>
> >          >
> >          >
> >          > As an aside, this field has a placeholder, not a label. Not
> >          sure if that
> >          > has anything to do with why it isn't presented correctly, but
> >          I hope the
> >          > placeholder is read when using e/E to navigate.
> >          >
> >          >
> >          > Thanks!
> >          >
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