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Re: [orca-list] Gnome3, Orca and ArchLinux

Hi,
I would like to ask before getting upgrades. Will it automatically upgrade gnome to 3? If it does try to autoupgrade, how do I tell it to keep the current version?
Thanks
Storm
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On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 12:01 -0700, Steve Holmes wrote: 
I didn't see much additional stuff in the top panel when I looked
around there this morning.  I saw a couple icons which I had to use
Ctrl+F1 to identify but I didn't see any settings or system menu up
there.  I recall seeing a Universal Access menu (I thought I did) in
the Applications menu but II'll need to check this this evening when I
get home and have more time than I did this morning when I got Orca
talking atl least.  I also noticed the Applications and Places menus
are side by side again; I had gotten used to the linear view that came
with recent upgrades of gnome 2.32 or so; I rather liked that view
instead.

I am rather disappointed with Gnome 3 in the a11y department.  It
seems that a lot of stuff is broken now and the fact that I cannot get
to or find the system menu nor the desktop, is almost a show stopper.
I mean you need to access the system menu if you want to log out of
gnome or configure your system.  That's a major flaw in my book!

On 5/5/11, Michael Whapples <mwhapples aim com> wrote:
> Hello,
> On where the system menu has gone, some of the stuff can be found in
> another menu (not sure if its in the tray). What you need to do is move
> to the top panel, its somewhere in there. At this point I have not found
> a reliable way of bringing it up but it can be got at from the keyboard.
>
> Now about orca starting automatically, in that menu mentioned above
> there is an option for settings (or something like that), go to that and
> then find universal access in the screen which appears. In that settings
> screen you will find a setting to enable orca being started on log in.
>
> Haven't got a clue about the desktop.
>
> Some of these issues are why I have tried out XFCE and LXDE, which are
> sort of usable but still have issues of their own (eg. XFCE's desktop
> isn't being spoken by orca, the panels aren't fully accessible as you
> cannot look in their trays, etc).
>
> Michael Whapples
> On 01/-10/37 20:59, Steve Holmes wrote:
>> I think this script would be interesting to look at for sure.
>>
>> Also, I got pulse working for gnome (sort of) and I still have the
>> good ol' console back talking all in the same session.  I commented
>> out all the entries in /etc/asound.conf and after a reboot, the sound
>> situation seems OK for me now.
>>
>> Other issues though, Orca does not start up automatically; I had to
>> launch it with the run dialog but at least it talks now.  Oh, I also
>> had to install at-spi2-atk package before Orca would continue to
>> function so Orca is working now.
>>
>> Now on to gnome3 itself, I also cannot find the system menu; nor can I
>> find the desktop.  Someone else commented these same observations
>> yesterday on the list but I haven't seen any replies to that issue.  I
>> can press Ctrl+Alt+tab to toggle between top and bottom pannel but no
>> desktop.  What's going on here?
>>
>> On Thu, May 05, 2011 at 06:45:09AM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:
>>> My greetings of the morning, Arch Linux folks:   =)
>>>
>>> Reading this thread put me to thinking:  We've been using Pulse Audio
>>> in Vinux since mid 2010.  Bill Cox worked out a way to get it to
>>> behave and either he or Tony (not sure who) wrote a very nice script
>>> which you all may find rather handy.  It's called restorespeech.  It
>>> will undoubtedly require some modification to fit in with how Arch
>>> does things but, I'll scare up my copy when I get home tonight and
>>> e-mail to the list in hopes it helps someone.  What it does is modify
>>> your Pulse Audio setup such that Speakup, Orca and Yasr behave like
>>> good little programs and stop being bashful and talk without any of
>>> that nasty latency and crackle Pulse is infamous for.  It'll set pulse
>>> up for you, rebuild speakup from source, I think, install and
>>> configure speech dispatcher, orca and yasr for you.  It's designed to
>>> get your pc talking with just one command or even a hotkey since it's
>>> also bound to control alt shift r in Gnome.  Very handy for when
>>> updates break accessibility and you lose speech for some reason or
>>> other and you are dead in the water because of it since, as you all
>>> well know, you don't always have a nice sighted pal within shouting
>>> distance to lend a hand.  Like I said, it will probably require some
>>> modification and adaptation to conform with how Arch Linux does things
>>> and, you may not need all of its functionality but it may be something
>>> you find useful.  If you can't wait and want to get your hands on it,
>>> google the vinux project's PPA and see if you can't download it by
>>> downloading the Vinuxscripts package and rooting around in there till
>>> you find it.
>>>
>>> hth,
>>> Alex M
>>>
>>> On 5/4/11, Christian<christian08 runbox com>  wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> My sound has just stopped working here in Arch linux after I installed
>>>> it,
>>>> is it because of Pulseaudio?
>>>> If so, how to get it back?
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>> Christian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2011-05-04 at 21:18 Michael Whapples wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What I suggested allows you still to use an application directly with
>>>>> alsa. I don't know whether gnome 3 can be made so it does not use
>>>>> pulseaudio but the archlinux packages sure depend on pulseaudio. The
>>>>> best I have found is to stop pulseaudio blocking the actual device and
>>>>> allow you still to use alsa without going through pulse.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Whapples
>>>>> On 04/05/11 18:18, Storm Dragon wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> Is it absolutely necessary to use pulseaudio in Arch with gnome3? If
>>>>>> so I may stick with what I have already. It's nice to be able to play
>>>>>> audio games in wine without having the lag introduced by pulse.
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>> Storm
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 18:02 +0100, Michael Whapples wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>> If all speech output on your system was affected then it sounds like
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> might be another pulseaudio issue. I have been able to get a
>>>>>>> reasonably
>>>>>>> satisfactory set up now on my laptop which uses pulseaudio (thank you
>>>>>>> Halim), although I still feel pulseaudio is over complicating things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Halim posted a example default.pa to the list, put that somewhere
>>>>>>> pulseaudio will find it (I put it in /etc/pulse/default.pa, although
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> aware that is system wide and user settings may override it, a
>>>>>>> problem I
>>>>>>> hit). Now archlinux also provides a asound.conf file to configure
>>>>>>> alsa
>>>>>>> applications to use pulseaudio's emulation, comment out the content
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> this file as we want alsa applications to access alsa directly.
>>>>>>> Configure speech-dispatcher to use alsa (NOTE: I have had issues
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> speech-dispatcher has not worked properly with pulseaudio, if you
>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>> to use speech-dispatcher with pulseaudio I would recommend using it
>>>>>>> through libao). Now restart the system (I recommend restarting as it
>>>>>>> ensures everything has actually been stopped and reloads
>>>>>>> configurations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you still have issues there is one thing which may be wrong: As I
>>>>>>> mentioned if you put default.pa in the /etc/pulse directory user
>>>>>>> settings may override this, I had an issue where my GDM user had the
>>>>>>> default device pulseaudio would use was the actual hardware and so
>>>>>>> block
>>>>>>> the device), in this case check your settings (look at files in
>>>>>>> ~/.pulse) in any user where sound isn't working properly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope this works, it did for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael Whapples
>>>>>>> On 01/-10/37 20:59, Steve Holmes wrote:
>>>>>>>>   Hey, I just decided to try and fire up gnome after all the Arch
>>>>>>>> Linux
>>>>>>>>   packages updated to gnome 3.  I also pulled out orca-git for now
>>>>>>>> so I
>>>>>>>>   could establish a base line by using orca-3.01 from the Arch repo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   When I installed Orca package, it also brought in at-spi2 and
>>>>> pyatspi2
>>>>>>>>   as dependencies.  But when I do 'startx' gnome starts up but I get
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>   sound at all! I then thought I would tryh to force Orca to start
>>>>> again
>>>>>>>>   by running from the run dialog and I got "Welcome to Orca" spoken
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>   nothing after that.  then I discovered that I lost all speech -
>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>   on the console.  I had to reboot to get at least, back to a
>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>   console.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Are there suggestions on what else I need to do to get gnome3 +
>>>>>>>> Orca
>>>>>>>>   working properly? I recall directions on the Arch wiki for gnome 3
>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>   I would think that wouldn't be necessary anymore since gnome3 is
>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>   the current default.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Any help?
>>>>>>>>
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