Re: [orca-list] Orca & GSettings

[Alejandro Leiva <aleiva emergya es>]

El 07/06/2010, a las 12:33, trev saunders gmail com escribió:

> Hi,
>
> > > no false.  While they aren't a "desktop" as a lot of people think of =
> > it awesome / ion / fluxbox are configured through the same unix =
> > abstraction people have used for the past 30 years of text files.
> > > this would mean that a user would have to have gsettings installed to =
> > use / build orca right?  Unless you somehow provide a =
> > --without-gsettings options to configure I am going to have a problem =
> > with this.
> > > basically the problem is text files have worked for many programs for =
> > atleast 35 years, so we can have every expectation that they will =
> > continue to work perfectly well on any unix system with no dependancies. =
> > On the other hand gnome itself has existed for less than 20 I don't =
> > know the exact number, and is already changing the way it does things =
> > (gconf -> gsettings) so as I see it expecting it to change again is very =
> > reasonable.  Also we can put whatever we want into a file a api =
> > restricts what we can do.  Why do we want to use a api that restricts us =
> > and will change when we can use something that will work fine and not =
> > change?
> > > =20
> > > Trev
> >
> >
> > Hi Trev,
> >
> >      Only one thought. If text plain files works for you is then an =
> > universal solution to any Orca's user?

Hi Trev,

> I think it's fairly reasonable to expect people using a unix system to edit text files to configure things. 
>  I know that in mac land things are different (I looked at your email headers).   I don't mind a gui 
> existing, but I won't right it, and I don't want its existance to force me to instal packages.

You got me. I use osx (Darwin wow! an unix system too), linux and freebsd in daily basis. Anyway, I don't 
want to trigger a flame about. 

One more package installed automatically by your package system (deb or rpm based) don't hurt. Really.

> >      I don't think so.
>
> Yes unix is different from windows or your mac, but I'd argue that you spend a lot longer as an expert with 
> a tool than as someone learning it thus the tool should be effecient for a expert, and provide 
> documentation to teach the new person instead of simply being easy for the new person to use and 
> ineffecient for an expert.

Personally I want to believe that a mixed solution is out there. Improve orca's documentation is a must.

> >      With our planned settings system you can implement a backend=20
> > based on text files if you want. Only for your old-school needs ;)
>
> you don't always get a choice in the matter, what do you do if X wakes up dead? or you need to do something 
> remotely?  While I don't know what this will actually look like that seems like a lot more reasonable plan 
> than what you seemed to be proposing friday.

One question, orca works if X wakes up dead? AFAIK you can only configure it in a shell. IMHO GTK is needed.

Not exactly proposed in friday but more than one week ago [1]

> Trev



[1]: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=619398#c2

Cheers,
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Alejandro Leiva