Evolution slowness (was Re: Orca's readiness (was Re: tarting orca))

[Willie Walker <William Walker Sun COM>]

Hi Cody:

Evolution is generally a bit sluggish, but there is definitely something
going on that's making Orca even more sluggish in this case.  I'm not
quite sure what's going on, but it might be related to a couple of
things:

1) Orca tries to automatically speak/braille "unbound" text when the
focus changes from window to window.  This can involve digging deep into
the object hierarchy.  The main driver for this is popup dialogs, so we
might be able to limit some of this searching.

2) Evolution is indeed sending Orca a small storm of events when a
window pops up and goes away.  We might be able to come up with some
heuristic for determining which events Orca can ignore.

In the meantime, rather than popping up a new window to read an e-mail
message, you can tab to it from the message summary list.  The key here
is to make sure you've pressed F7 to enable caret browsing.  Orca will
be a bit snappier this way, but the total clock time to read a message
might be about the same since you're going to need to tab around a bit.

Will

On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 22:22 -0400, Cody Hurst wrote: 
> hi will,
>   Thanks for taking all suggestions, I will probably be sending a lot of
> them...
>
>   As far as my speech delay goes in evolution, when I have an email
> message opened, in another window, as is the result after hitting enter
> on the message in the list when highlighted, I then hit escape to close
> it if I dont' want it, when i hit escape it it will take a while to get
> focus back into the main evolution window in the message list. I hope
> this was a little clear...
>
>   As far as ff goes, take as much time as needed. Its looking good so
> far as I said. I will say it is a little bit useable with ff and I do
> use it when I can.
>
> Cody
>
>
>
> On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 19:51 -0400, Willie Walker wrote:
> > Hi Cody:
> >
> > Thanks again for the kind comments.
> >
> > >   In both gnopernicus and orca, there are some delays in speech in some
> > > programs, for example, when I have focus with orca on the desktop, then
> > > press alt control tab to switch to m task bar, it'll take about 5
> > > seconds or so for a response. This is teh same case with gnopernicus...
> >
> > My guess is that Orca is getting a flood of events from Evolution and
> > it's trying to keep up.  We might be able to do some optimization here.
> >
> > >   Also, in orca, when hitting escape out of a email message to go back
> > > to the inbox view, it takes a while for the focus to be regained...
> >
> > I'm not sure what you are referring to here - where are you when you hit
> > escape and what is the expected result?
> >
> > >   other then this, I see nothing but good and high spirits. I seriously
> > > think that the comment that I read about orca not truly being ready for
> > > a home user yet is a little under estimated. 
> >
> > Well...I tend to be very conservative in my statement of calling
> > something ready.  I really do not like the notion of overselling things
> > and prefer to be more up front about what works, what doesn't, and when
> > we plan to get to what.
> >
> > > One thing about orca that does need
> > > improvement on is FireFox. 
> >
> > Firefox is going to be a struggle for a while.  We've recently
> > collaborated with IBM to design improvements to the AT-SPI
> > implementation for Firefox, but these will probably not see the light of
> > day until Firefox 3.  We're working on some 'creative' solutions for
> > Firefox 2, which will probably be the first release that has any
> > semblance of usable support.  In addition, as we progress with Firefox,
> > we will definitely solicit people's input.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> > Will
> >
> >
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