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Re: Navigating GAIM (was Re: tarting orca)

Hi Cody:

Great ideas.  We have plans for a Configuration GUI, and Insert+O seems
like a good thing to bring it up.  :-)

We also have specs for reading from the current caret position to the
end of the file, and it's bound to KP_+.  It's currently implemented
rather poorly (works best only with GEdit) and needs some more smarts to
deal better with the way more sophisticated applications arrange their
text object model.  We'll get there one step at a time.

Will

On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 22:13 -0400, Cody Hurst wrote:

hi will,
  As well as using the insert key for doing the gaim diea, but applying
the insert key to different commands around gnome as well would be a
good idea for instance,

insert plus O while focused on the desktop would bring up the Orca
window, I know there isn't one, but a future idea...

Insert plus down arrow while reading an email or text file, it'll read
from current possition of caret to the end of the file...

  These are justa  couple of ideas that might be implamented...I hope
these can be ok to work with...

Cody

\On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 19:41 -0400, Willie Walker wrote:

Hi Cody:

This is an interesting idea.  Let's flesh it out some more.  Would the
idea be to use the Orca modifier key (currently "Insert") in conjunction
with a number (0 thru 9) and interpret that number as "the last nth
message displayed"?  That is, Insert+0 would repeat the very last
message that came in, Insert+1 would repeat the next to last, and so on.

Will

On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 10:57 -0400, Cody Hurst wrote:

hi will,
  Maybe think about creating a script that will allow me to press
something like control and any number on the number line to hear
previous messages, if I missed one???? Thanks for the help.

CodyOn Thu, 2006-04-06 at 07:44 -0400, Willie Walker wrote:

Hi Cody:

The IM window in GAIM is primarily two things: the chat area where  
the conversation occurs and the text area where you type.  There's  
other stuff in there, however, such as a toolbar for smiley faces and  
a horizontal rule.  The script for GAIM will speak/braille the text  
and chat areas automatically when they update, but you can use Orca's  
"flat review" keys to explore the window if you need to.  To do so,  
use the keypad keys:

7 - 8 - 9  read previous, read current, read next line
4 - 5 - 6  read previous, read current, read next word
1 - 2 - 3  read previous, read current, read next character

You can also use the Orca modifier key (the "Insert" key) in  
combination of some of the keys.  To do some exploring into what keys  
will do what, press "Insert+F1".  This will take Orca into "Learn  
Mode."  In learn mode, you can press various keys and key  
combinations and Orca will tell you what they will do.  To exit learn  
mode, press the "Escape" key.

Hope this helps!

Will

On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:10 PM, C-DOG wrote:


hi willie!
 I got speech working, its amazing. a lot better then crappy old  
gnopernicus, more responsive, and itsworks with evolution mazingly.  
I do have one question...
 how can I navigate in a IM window in gaim?? thanks a million
c
ody
----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker"  
<William Walker Sun COM>
To: "Orca screen reader developers" <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: tarting orca



Hi Cody:

There could be several problems happening here.  If speech isn't
working, you might need to debug that first.  Here's a fast pass I  
made
on the WIKI for debugging speech (please let me know of changes you
think would be helpful to make it clearer - I wrote it at night  
when I
was kind of tired):

 http://live.gnome.org/Orca/GnomeSpeech

If the goal is to start Orca when you log in, however, you have a  
couple
of options.  One is to tell your Linux distribution to not bring the
graphical login up when it boots.  The method for doing this
unfortunately varies by distribution.  With this option, you can add
orca to your ~/.xinitrc file and then start the graphical desktop  
using
xinit.

Another option is to bring up the System->Preferences->Sessions
application (also known as gnome-session-properties from the command
line) and add orca as a startup program.

In either case, you might actually want to point to a script that  
starts
orca - that way you can do some pre-run cleanup of stuff if needed
(e.g., kill synthesis drivers that might be hung and such).    
Attached
is a script that does some of this pre-run cleanup.  I'm not really
advocating its use too widely, though, because Orca should not  
rely upon
this kind of thing for proper behavior.  Instead, it should be  
able to
gracefully recover from bad things as much as possible or at least  
give
you an informative message about what's causing it pain.  But, it  
should
at least be able to help you get going.

Will

On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 12:12 -0700, C-DOG wrote:

hi will,
  but what is a way to avoid this? I mean, running orca from the  
terminal
probably wont' do the same thing will it? I have tried starting  
orca from
the gnome terminal and minimising the terminal, and using it but  
get no
speech.

cody
----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker"  
<William Walker Sun COM>
To: "Orca screen reader developers" <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:14 AM
Subject: Re: tarting orca



Hi Cody:

This looks like it might be related to a GTK+ crasher:

  http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326362

The main culprit that makes it happen seems to be the run  

dialog.  If

you can avoid doing that until the crasher is fixed by the gtk  

folks,

then things might go better for you.

Hope this helps,

Will

On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 20:38 -0700, C-DOG wrote:

actually I can get through the setup, if I type orca in the  

terminal

then it will say welcome to orca. this does not happen in the run
dialogue in the gui of gnome it just crashes the pannel.cody


        ----- Original Message ----- >>         From: Mike  

Pedersen

        To: 'Orca screen reader developers'
        Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 1:44 PM
        Subject: RE: tarting orca



        Hello Cody,
           I have opened a terminal and typed

                orca-setup

                I get a prompt asking me which voice I want. I  

can't

                quite understand the 2 options, so I select  

one, then

                i am asked for speak echo charactors, I say Y  

for yes,

                after this I get no speech, what is going  

wrong? I

                have managed to get this far. I still can't  

get out of

                a terminal window, is there another type of  

setup I

                need to do?

                After you finish orca-setup you will not have  

speech

                until you type orca.  What happens if you type  

orca in

                the terminal prompt?
                Mike


         

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