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Re: tarting orca

hi will,
  Oh no doubt the gnopernicus team is a great crew and it must be
painful work making something like this, but I have compared the 2 and
have found far more comfortability with orca believe it or not! I use
the term loosly hopefully you didn't take it the wrong way ... <smile>
  In both gnopernicus and orca, there are some delays in speech in some
programs, for example, when I have focus with orca on the desktop, then
press alt control tab to switch to m task bar, it'll take about 5
seconds or so for a response. This is teh same case with gnopernicus...
  Also, in orca, when hitting escape out of a email message to go back
to the inbox view, it takes a while for the focus to be regained...
  other then this, I see nothing but good and high spirits. I seriously
think that the comment that I read about orca not truly being ready for
a home user yet is a little under estimated. Orca has out performed
gnopernicus in my opinion, and I love it and personally think that a
home user would be ready for it and might I add its quicker at
responding then gnopernicus. One thing about orca that does need
improvement on is FireFox. This support is much better then
gnopernicus's support for firefox, and I can actually read the links. I
might also suggest that when browsing the web, links be spoken as
something like this for example

click here for 
link downloads
now.

instead of this

click here for
downloads
now.

  I say this because no one will ever be able to tell what is a link and
what isn't. I think that the way it looks, we can make orca interact
with FF just like jaws will in windows. Just be able to arrow threw the
website and be able to detect everything.
  Orca is deffiniately ready for integration with gnome later on. keep
up the great work.

btw...I am looking around the net for key commands I can use with orca,
like the layer system in gnopernicus. might check out that new orca site
that was mentioned...

On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 07:15 -0400, Willie Walker wrote:

Cody:

Glad to hear you got speech working.  I'm not sure I'd feel  
comfortable with someone calling Gnopernicus crappy and old (I've met  
the team and they are a good bunch of folks), but I'm glad you  
finally had some good success with Orca!

Can you share your experiences with what was going wrong?  Was it a  
hung speech driver that you needed to kill, or was there something  
else you needed to do?

Will

On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:10 PM, C-DOG wrote:


hi willie!
 I got speech working, its amazing. a lot better then crappy old  
gnopernicus, more responsive, and itsworks with evolution mazingly.  
I do have one question...
 how can I navigate in a IM window in gaim?? thanks a million
c
ody
----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker"  
<William Walker Sun COM>
To: "Orca screen reader developers" <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: tarting orca



Hi Cody:

There could be several problems happening here.  If speech isn't
working, you might need to debug that first.  Here's a fast pass I  
made
on the WIKI for debugging speech (please let me know of changes you
think would be helpful to make it clearer - I wrote it at night  
when I
was kind of tired):

 http://live.gnome.org/Orca/GnomeSpeech

If the goal is to start Orca when you log in, however, you have a  
couple
of options.  One is to tell your Linux distribution to not bring the
graphical login up when it boots.  The method for doing this
unfortunately varies by distribution.  With this option, you can add
orca to your ~/.xinitrc file and then start the graphical desktop  
using
xinit.

Another option is to bring up the System->Preferences->Sessions
application (also known as gnome-session-properties from the command
line) and add orca as a startup program.

In either case, you might actually want to point to a script that  
starts
orca - that way you can do some pre-run cleanup of stuff if needed
(e.g., kill synthesis drivers that might be hung and such).    
Attached
is a script that does some of this pre-run cleanup.  I'm not really
advocating its use too widely, though, because Orca should not  
rely upon
this kind of thing for proper behavior.  Instead, it should be  
able to
gracefully recover from bad things as much as possible or at least  
give
you an informative message about what's causing it pain.  But, it  
should
at least be able to help you get going.

Will

On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 12:12 -0700, C-DOG wrote:

hi will,
  but what is a way to avoid this? I mean, running orca from the  
terminal
probably wont' do the same thing will it? I have tried starting  
orca from
the gnome terminal and minimising the terminal, and using it but  
get no
speech.

cody
----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker"  
<William Walker Sun COM>
To: "Orca screen reader developers" <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:14 AM
Subject: Re: tarting orca



Hi Cody:

This looks like it might be related to a GTK+ crasher:

  http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326362

The main culprit that makes it happen seems to be the run  

dialog.  If

you can avoid doing that until the crasher is fixed by the gtk  

folks,

then things might go better for you.

Hope this helps,

Will

On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 20:38 -0700, C-DOG wrote:

actually I can get through the setup, if I type orca in the  

terminal

then it will say welcome to orca. this does not happen in the run
dialogue in the gui of gnome it just crashes the pannel.cody


        ----- Original Message ----- >>         From: Mike  

Pedersen

        To: 'Orca screen reader developers'
        Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 1:44 PM
        Subject: RE: tarting orca



        Hello Cody,
           I have opened a terminal and typed

                orca-setup

                I get a prompt asking me which voice I want. I  

can't

                quite understand the 2 options, so I select  

one, then

                i am asked for speak echo charactors, I say Y  

for yes,

                after this I get no speech, what is going  

wrong? I

                have managed to get this far. I still can't  

get out of

                a terminal window, is there another type of  

setup I

                need to do?

                After you finish orca-setup you will not have  

speech

                until you type orca.  What happens if you type  

orca in

                the terminal prompt?
                Mike


         

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