Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

[Ryan Peters <sloshy45 sbcglobal net>]

On 05/06/2011 11:16 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> On my previous installation - Fedora 13 - it was Gnome 2.
> I just installed Fedora 15 and it uses Gnome 3. Oops.
>
> Having suddenly to learn a new UI is not what I planned to do this
> weekend. I have some other work to do.
If you don't want to learn a new UI, *do not upgrade*! This should be 
obvious. It should be even more obvious that Fedora 15 *isn't even 
released as stable yet*. If you have "better things to do than learn a 
new UI", why on Earth did you switch and somehow expect it to be exactly 
the same as before?
> What should I do if I find some changes to be regressions
> (from my POV, of course)? I thought I need to let developers know
> what users (in this case, me) think. How else would they know?
>
> Your suggestion seems to be "to shut up, or write an alternative".
> Nice.
Our suggestion is to *learn how to use the interface* and to stop 
insulting the developers and designers. If you change to a new version 
of a desktop environment which has a new design, you should *not*, under 
any circumstances, expect it to be the same as previous versions. If you 
have work to do, do it in a stable, familiar environment instead of 
fiddling around with GNOME 3. Do that when you have time to learn how to 
use it, please, instead of begging us to reverse a good portion of the 
design work.
> Of course you are entitled to choose how to treat your users.
> Consider, though, that users will take only certain amount of abuse
> before they leave.
*ahem*:

  1. You twist everything we say and make it sound like we're insulting
     you, when it's clearly the other way around.
  2. You say things are regressions, even after we make substantial
     effort to prove to you that they are not, in fact, regressions.
     Some things might be regressions, like your example where you
     launch four applications, but that can also be sped up by pressing
     the windows key instead of using the hot corner.
  3. Some of what you do consider regressions are some of the most
     trivial things possible. Where "favorites" can be located, moving
     those dialogs that don't even need to be moved, and the existence
     of a permanent window list are so easily overcome as long as you
     approach GNOME 3 with an open mind.
  4. You somehow think that we're treating you badly by not changing
     things back to the way they were. What you call "abuse", everyone
     else on this mailing list calls "support".

If you have better things to do than use GNOME 3, don't use it until you 
can find time to learn it and get used to it. If you can't approach 
GNOME 3 with an open mind, this mailing list will not hep you. That is 
something you need to do on your own.