Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.
- From: Ryan Peters <sloshy45 sbcglobal net>
- To: gnome-shell-list gnome org
- Subject: Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.
- Date: Thu, 05 May 2011 17:36:29 -0500
Somebody needs to take this thread out back behind the shed and put a
bullet through it's head for the good of humanity, so I volunteer to do so.
Denys, GNOME 3 is a radical change and you have a right to be upset, but
your responses have been rather rude. Asserting that the designers made
the change for no reason insults their intelligence; just because you
didn't read the design documents/pages that outlined what problems GNOME
3 would fix with it's design doesn't mean that they "changed for the
sake of it". As Henry Ford allegedly said, "If I had asked my customers
what they wanted, they would have said a faster horse.". The automobile
was awkward and totally different at first relative to horses, but it
eventually caught on because it was a better choice than horses for most
Second, imitation isn't always the way to go. If GNOME simply stood the
same for years without changing, there would be no innovation. In
addition, your claim that GNOME "gives users no choice" is incredibly
false: you can enable Forced Fallback mode in System Settings to a GNOME
2-like UI which is meant for setups that cannot run the new GNOME 3.
However, it's called "Fallback Mode" for a reason; it's deprecated,
won't receive future updates unless they're extremely important, and
GNOME 3's default desktop is much better for a variety of reasons. I, as
well as the people working on developing and marketing GNOME 3, firmly
believe that GNOME 3 is the future, which is a good thing and not bad
like you suggest.
You can switch windows with Alt+Tab and Alt+[key above Tab, usually `],
the former switching applications and the latter switching windows in an
application. It works very well and you should try it! Also, switching
windows is much more flexible than in GNOME 2: with the older GNOME, you
only had Alt+Tab and a tiny window list. With GNOME 3, you get an
"Exposé"-like view where you have nice, easily clickable thumbnails of
every window on that workspace (especially useful on a laptop), "fling"
gesture support to switch workspaces on touch devices, a dock-like
window list on the left, a workspace switcher on the right with
drag-drop support, and a search bar that works without clicking it; just
start typing! If that doesn't satisfy you, I'm not sure what will. Of
course, you can always write an extension that enables the behavior you
like, but GNOME 3 should be given a fair chance first.
You can access the Activities overlay three ways: a hot corner (flinging
your mouse to the top-left), clicking the Activities button, or a
keyboard shortcut (Windows/Super/Meta key, Alt+F1, or whatever you set
it to). I use the keyboard shortcut as it makes it much faster for me. I
just tap it, click the window I want, and I've switched in less than a
second, arguably about as fast as the task list on GNOME 2 (and in some
cases faster because you don't have to scan a tiny list of windows like
in GNOME 2). Your claim that GNOME doesn't let you add launchers is also
false: right-click any running application (or any application in the
Applications menu or Search function) and click "Add to Favorites".
Then, just open the overlay and click it to launch. It's just as easy as
the icons from GNOME 2, and they take up less screen space as well since
they don't take up valuable panel real-estate. You can also manually
organize them by dragging them up and down, which is much better than
right-clicking the launcher, unlocking it, right-clicking it again,
clicking "move", then moving the mouse along a gigantic panel to place
it in a usable place (this was the GNOME 2 behavior).
Also, it's faster to start an application that you didn't add to
favorites in GNOME 2; just search for it by opening the overlay and
typing. It's keyboard-navigable so you can press up and down to move
through the list. The Applications Menu isn't really intended to be used
constantly and is only there for when you either don't know an
application's name, don't have it on your favorites list, or are using a
touch-device (like a tablet).
If you have any more problems with GNOME 3, please say so, but don't be
rude about it. Also, check out gnome-tweak-tool and
gnome-shell-extensions for some tweaks that let you customize GNOME 3 to
how you want it to be. I hope I've helped make things more clear, and it
would be very nice if you tried to wrap your head around the way things
are now before going back to Fallback Mode. It might take a day, or even
a week, but you might find that it improves your work flow a lot if you
give it a chance.
- Sincerely, Ryan (not a Shell developer; just a user)
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