Re: Still need a hint for undecorated windows

On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:54:54 +0200 Lubos Lunak <l lunak suse cz> babbled:

>  I yet to have actually see somebody saying a single reason why this is really

application developers want it AND end application and wm users want it too. i
second bradley's comments. recently i found a bug with xmms on amd64 - it doesnt
handle 64bit properly which means its mwm hints are messed up and have memory
garbage in some of the fields. i have had to spend time debugging my code on;y
to find it was fine - the properties on the amd64 box were screwed. the issue
was brought to me by several users complaining - wondering why their xmms didnt
work properly. they considered the border beign there to be a bug - an issue -
something they didnt expect and didnt want.

> needed. Why should any app be able to forcibly control whether it should or 
> should not have decorations? Even the xmms/gkrellm examples are rather 
> non-convincing - if I decide I don't want any decorations for gkrellm I can 
> simply turn them off in KWin, and the same for xmms. And I can control xmms' 
> window-related functionality directly using KWin anyway, just with Alt+F3, so 
> if I decide I don't want decorations for it, I don't need xmms drawing 
> another set for me (which I moreover cannot get rid of, unlike KWin's). So 
> what good should this hint be for?
> > In the end what good is a window manager 
> > without applications ?
> -- 
> Lubos Lunak
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