Re: [Usability] Better look Re: (no subject)

[Josue Farde <josuefrade sapo pt>]

On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 14:58 +0000, Alan Horkan wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> 
> > Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:59:11 +0100
> > From: Thorsten Wilms <t_w_ freenet de>
> > To: usability gnome org
> > Subject: Re: [Usability] Better look Re: (no subject)
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 01:43:36PM +0000, Josue Farde wrote:
> > > Look man is like this are you interessed in help gnome or make stupid
> > > comments?????
> > > I came here trying to help... i'm actually trying to do what u said
> > > "Someone needs to roll up his/her sleeves and implement/create", i want
> > > to do something about it and i'm asking for help and opinions... do i
> > > really have to take ur arrogant actitude?????
> > >
> > > josue
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 15:36 +0200, Kalle Vahlman wrote:
> > > > On 12/14/05, Josue Farde <josuefrade sapo pt> wrote:
> > > > > would u care first 2 c what i mean with translucent??? or u put the idea
> > > > > completle off from the beginning??
> > > > > If u think that there is a point in c what i mean i will do a 'snapshot'
> > > > > of what would look like....
> > > >
> > > > It's been a while since I've taken math classes (hint: 2 is not a
> > > > word, it's a number), but if you are saying that you'd provide a
> > > > mockup of what you mean then by all means.
> > > >
> > > > Nothing tells it better than a pretty picture :)
> 
> > Pointing at your misuse of 2 is not arrogant. Neither would be
> 
> Josue,
> 
> Using lots of abbreviations and unusual expression makes it more difficult
> for other people to understand what you are saying.  This leads to
> frustration and makes it more difficult to take your ideas seriously if
> you are not willing to take more time to present them seriously.  There
> are many people like yourself who are not using English as their first
> langauge so everything you can do to make things clearer helps us to help
> you.  Things go much better when we all try and use slightly more formal
> English and make an effort to be polite although we all get frustrated by
> the criticism sometimes and respond harshly.  It is easy to think of email
> as conversation between friends and to use shorthand like you would in
> Text Messaging but it is a lot more like business so choosing your words
> carefully helps.
> 
> Also any mails sent to the list are publically archived for everyone to
> see.  http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/
> 
> > pointing out that you shouldn't post top, with quote below, as the now
> > broken sequence in this mail shows.
> 
> There is an old tradition by which replies are expected to follow the
> message rather than be posted at the top.  Many email programs put the
> cursor at the top of the message which doesn't help but I hope you can
> understand how it make things much easier to read if the old parts of the
> conversation go in sequence.
> 
> like so:
> 
> >>>  start
> 
> >> middle
> 
> > more
> 
> 
> > Now how about actualy doing something instead of waisting everyones time
> > with useless questions (like you would need Kalle's allowance or
> > something) and flaming? Otherwise just shut up.
> 
> Please keep in mind Josue could be new to all this, I think we all made
> mistakes when we were beginners.  We should give him a fair chance to
> learn the rules and treat him just as politely as whats-his-name who
> complained yesterday even if Josue isn't famous.
> 
> > How is any kind of transluceny supposed to provide more information to
> > the user without making text hard to read / objects hard to make it?
> > If it's not about more information in the same space, what else could
> > be the benefit?
> 
> Sometimes eyecandy and a flash demo is the benefit in itself, a marketing
> hook to attract people even if the results would never make suitable
> defaults.
> 
> Good luck Josue, try out your ideas because maybe when people see the
> results they will be better able to give it a fair judgment.
> 
> There may be better places to explore your interest in Gnome Art than
> the general usability list but I wish you the best of luck.
> 
> - Alan
> 
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thanks Alan

sorry to all for not respecting your rules, I'll make an effort to
follow them.
I have an image I would like you all to see as an exemple of what I was
saign, where can I put it since here we only can use 40kb?
I also would like to sugest that the text boxes that appear when the
mouse goes over an icon couls pass to the top right of the screen since
is not a very used place in the majoraty of the desktop environments ant
would make it easier since the presente ones (over the icon) can be a
bit confusing.
My picture points that out....

Josue