Re: [orca-list] Naming, shaming and flaming (was Re: LibreOffice and orca: moving to headings, links, tables etc.)

[Devin Prater <r d t prater gmail com>]

Okay, so before, when I said that Orca is sluggish with tables in Docs, and that NVDA isn't, in response to Nimer saying that the OP should try Docs, you went on a rant about how I shouldn't be comparing Orca to a Windows screen reader which the developer of Orca doesn't have access to. Just to not leave any stones unturned, why do you assume the Orca developer doesn't have access to Windows, with Windows screen readers? Also, you're very willing to throw lots of shade at Windows, but when some one even points out Linux's flaws, you get so defensive. This does not help Linux accessibility, it doesn't help Orca development that people in the blind Linux community just stick to the few Linux GUI apps that we've been using for the past 15 years, and it doesn't help that you, Kyle, are always bashing other operating systems.

Now, do I bash Linux sometimes? Yeah, because it sucks that there are so many developers working on FOSS stuff, but only one working on Orca. It sucks that desktop environment makers don't put much, if any, thought into accessibility. Yet, I still love it. I still yearn to use it productively in my job. But my job uses the web heavily. Salesforce, Google Workspace, all that. And I can't have Orca being sluggish, Chrome crashing for any reason besides an OOM event or some bug in Chrome itself, or Orca's focus mode or quick nav keys setting coming unstuck, sending my flying cross the page. Although I think I've gotten rid of that last one by just disabling quick navigation keys instead of dealing with focus/browse mode as much. So the third I'm willing to say is user error. But the first two? This is an AMD Rizon 5500 CPU. A screen reader better *not* slow it down.

Devin Prater

r d t prater gmail com

On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 4:59 PM Kyle via orca-list <orca-list gnome org> wrote:

Who is bashing here? I shared my experience and observations just
testing a simple banking website, which I find much snappier here. Yes,
I have my personal preference, but you can see I'm getting bashed for
it. I was even told that I am an idiot because I have used my chosen
platform for years and found it quite reliable overall, albeit with
problems that I have personally seen fixed over the years. And I am
being told that I cannot be productive using my chosen computer
operating system and screen reader, which I have been highly productive
on for many years, all while being fed a line that something else is far
superior where I have had nothing but trouble the few times I have had
to use it for any reason.


I should point out that this list is for helping people using the Orca
screen reader specifically, which *only* runs on Linux operating
systems, and for reporting bugs with the Orca screen reader and the
at-spi interface, as well as bugs in applications that impact their
accessibility and usability as they relate to Linux, at-spi and Orca.
This list was never supposed to be about the superiority of any
operating system or software, nor was it made for commercial advertisement.

~Kyle

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