Hello,I am sorry actually I am duplicating this whole conversation because I am posting here and also on gitlab. I did not want my report to sound as duplicate of yours. I wanted to say that accessible names for basic controls such as buttons, multiline texts fields and also input entries include much more details than we are expecting. Oh btw I attempted similar conversation about a year ago https://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2021-May/msg00023.html And it's a pity from the user's perspective very little has improved since that time.
Greetings Peter Dňa 9. 4. 2022 o 7:21 Lukáš Tyrychtr via orca-list napísal(a):
Hi,thanks for your efford, i just did not post the message to Orca-list soon enough, so you actually made a duplicate, the first report is: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/4825Regards, Lukáš Dne 08.04.2022 v 23:09 Peter Vágner via orca-list napsal(a):Hello again,Out of frustration I have played more with some GTK4 apps and created this bug report: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/4826 . I would appreciate if you can try replicating my findings and add your opinion and constructive feetback, so we can slowly ask for some real improvements.Thanks and greetings Peter Dňa 8. 4. 2022 o 15:22 Peter Vágner via orca-list napísal(a):Hello, I am sorry finding new details in small increments. It started crashing again after a bit of usage.Now I think the key point is to close orca, blindly start any GTK4 app and with such an app running launch orca again. While some GTK4 apps are running it won't be crashing.Greetings Peter Dňa 8. 4. 2022 o 14:25 Peter Vágner via orca-list napísal(a):Hello,Finally I have figured out that gtk4 apps crashing right after launching them was my local issue. Once I have rebuilt orca it has started to work the way I expect it to. Presentation of all QT4 Vidgets is very unique since the key used to activate and the non localized role derived from the class name is spoken with each control but at least it's usable to an extend. Once I have managed to get gnome-control-center to work I am impressed that it is much more usable with the keyboard than it used to be. Some buttons are not clearly labelled but almost everything is accessible by using the keyboard alone including managing network connections VPNs, keyboard shortcuts and similar.Greetings Peter Dňa 8. 4. 2022 o 12:00 Peter Vágner via orca-list napísal(a):Hello,I have found out gnome-calculator is also a GT4 app and this one is working although flat review is not working with all GTK4 apps. gnome-control-center, gnome-text editor, fractal all of these are crashing for me at startup. gnome-contacts is also GTK4 app. This one is working but breaks flat review. When running gnome-contacts in a terminal, this is what I am getting... (gnome-contacts:60160): Gtk-WARNING **: 11:52:58.077: Screen coordinates not supported, reported positions will be wrong GTK4 accessibility is really implemented different to GTK3. When new button in the contacts app receives the focus, orca is reporting...GTK Image <space> Creates new contact Please can you try to verify at least some of these? Is something out of these tracked somewhere?The conclusion is that GTK4 and wayland have major accessibility implications for us and we either have to keep using outdated versions or finally start moving elsewhere. We can run mate, xfce, ratpoison whatever with curated selection of apps but the trend is there and we as a community can do nothing about it.Greetings Peter Dňa 7. 4. 2022 o 22:47 Peter Vágner via orca-list napísal(a):Hello,I apologize, I have mixed the numbers. I wanted to say Arch linux features gnome 42 and I have problems with all the GTK 4 apps when using them on gnome 42.If you can, it would be great to reproduce what I am seeing. Greetings Peter Dňa 7. 4. 2022 o 22:20 Peter Vágner via orca-list napísal(a):Hello,Arch linux now includes gnome 44 packages. After updating my system to gnome 44, I am still experiencing an issue where every GTK4 app I try to start exits with a segmentation fault and I don't know how to debug it. Unfortunatelly this also includes gnome control center known as settings.Have you also updated and can you reproduce this? 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