Re: [orca-list] Gnome 42

[Lukáš Tyrychtr <lukastyrychtr gmail com>]

Hi,

thanks for your efford, i just did not post the message to Orca-list 
soon enough, so you actually made a duplicate, the first report is: 
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/4825

Regards,

Lukáš

Dne 08.04.2022 v 23:09 Peter Vágner via orca-list napsal(a):
> Hello again,
> Out of frustration I have played more with some GTK4 apps and created 
> this bug report: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/4826 .
> I would appreciate if you can try replicating my findings and add your 
> opinion and constructive feetback, so we can slowly ask for some real 
> improvements.
>
> Thanks and greetings
>
> Peter
>
> Dňa 8. 4. 2022 o 15:22 Peter Vágner via orca-list napísal(a):
> > Hello,
> > I am sorry finding new details in small increments.
> > It started crashing again after a bit of usage.
> > Now I think the key point is to close orca, blindly start any GTK4 
> > app and with such an app running launch orca again. While some GTK4 
> > apps are running it won't be crashing.
> > Greetings
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > Dňa 8. 4. 2022 o 14:25 Peter Vágner via orca-list napísal(a):
> > > Hello,
> > > Finally I have figured out that gtk4 apps crashing right after 
> > > launching them was my local issue. Once I have rebuilt orca it has 
> > > started to work the way I expect it to.
> > > Presentation of all QT4 Vidgets is very unique since the key used to 
> > > activate and the non localized role derived from the class name is 
> > > spoken with each control but at least it's usable to an extend.
> > > Once I have managed to get gnome-control-center to work I am 
> > > impressed that it is much more usable with the keyboard than it used 
> > > to be. Some buttons are not clearly labelled but almost everything 
> > > is accessible by using the keyboard alone including managing network 
> > > connections VPNs, keyboard shortcuts and similar.
> > > Greetings
> > > Peter
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dňa 8. 4. 2022 o 12:00 Peter Vágner via orca-list napísal(a):
> > > > Hello,
> > > > I have found out gnome-calculator is also a GT4 app and this one is 
> > > > working although flat review is not working with all GTK4 apps.
> > > > gnome-control-center, gnome-text editor, fractal all of these are 
> > > > crashing for me at startup.
> > > > gnome-contacts is also GTK4 app. This one is working but breaks 
> > > > flat review.
> > > > When running gnome-contacts in a terminal, this is what I am 
> > > > getting...
> > > > (gnome-contacts:60160): Gtk-WARNING **: 11:52:58.077: Screen 
> > > > coordinates not supported, reported positions will be wrong
> > > > GTK4 accessibility is really implemented different to GTK3. When 
> > > > new button in the contacts app receives the focus, orca is 
> > > > reporting...
> > > > GTK Image <space> Creates new contact
> > > > Please can you try to verify at least some of these?
> > > > Is something out of these tracked somewhere?
> > > > The conclusion is that GTK4 and wayland have major accessibility 
> > > > implications for us and we either have to keep using outdated 
> > > > versions or finally start moving elsewhere. We can run mate, xfce, 
> > > > ratpoison whatever with curated selection of apps but the trend is 
> > > > there and we as a community can do nothing about it.
> > > > Greetings
> > > > Peter
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dňa 7. 4. 2022 o 22:47 Peter Vágner via orca-list napísal(a):
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > > I apologize, I have mixed the numbers. I wanted to say Arch linux 
> > > > > features gnome 42 and I have problems with all the GTK 4 apps when 
> > > > > using them on gnome 42.
> > > > > If you can, it would be great to reproduce what I am seeing.
> > > > > Greetings
> > > > > Peter
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dňa 7. 4. 2022 o 22:20 Peter Vágner via orca-list napísal(a):
> > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > Arch linux now includes gnome 44 packages. After updating my 
> > > > > > system to gnome 44, I am still experiencing an issue where every 
> > > > > > GTK4 app I try to start exits with a segmentation fault and I 
> > > > > > don't know how to debug it. Unfortunatelly this also includes 
> > > > > > gnome control center known as settings.
> > > > > > Have you also updated and can you reproduce this?
> > > > > > Greetings
> > > > > > Peter
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
> > > > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
> > > > > > GNOME Universal Access guide: 
> > > > > > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
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