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Re: [orca-list] GUI Redesign or clearup and modernization

There are gui apps to turn text to speech, and one or more has been mentioned on the list this week. 
Yes, there are less voices available for Linux, but this is hardly the place to get comercial voice venders 
to make Linux ports of their offerings. 
I'm  mostly concerned about work than play,but sure develop games or port them to LInux...
If more sighted folks come to Linux, I thyink some things that effect blind people may be helped as well, but 
as long as desktop Linux is a 1%OS it'll 
take some serious luck to get the critical mass of developers working on stuff meant for 5%of the 1-2%.
Then again, a couple dozen bright I T students, unemployed geeks or who ever could turn out a lot of what 
people want in a year or two.
Just as many of us do not find Windows meets our needs, there will always be folks who are not going to be 
atracted by Linux strengths. Opperating 
systems are more and more capible of doing a bigt of just aout any and everything, but if they were all the 
same why use LInux? Why use Mac? Why use 
Windows? Each logically has its own character, and probably is best served by trying to optimize its 
strengths rather than homogenizing and trying to 
become all things to all people.
There's a fine line to walk, and with LInux and FOS central planning is always in balance and tentionb with 
what individuals and small or not so small 
groups of devs and users want and have the time and knowledge to do.
   

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     B.H.
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  Devin Prater wrote:
Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 09:25:56AM -0500


Well, I also think that if Linux will be a viable system, it'll need good braille support. Otherwise, 
people will laugh and go back to iOS and Windows.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 2, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Josh K <joshknnd1982 gmail com> wrote:

I think most people are still put off by linux is because of its lack for commercial software for blind 
folks not a whole lot of speech or voice variety or audio games, and also still having to go into the 
terminal to do some more advanced tuff. example on windows if i want to turn text to mp3 I get balabolka 
a gui application that will use any sapi5 voice sapi4 or speech platform voice in windows. in linux i 
have to hunt down terminal commands to do that. can I do that? yep sure I grew up with dos. command line 
doesn't bother me. but if given a choice between gui or command line i would mostly always choose the gui 
solution. Hopefully we will see the day when all desktop linux becomes much like an open source android 
OS easy, natural, and intuitive to use with many voice choices. I pick my OS based on what it lets me do 
and how its apps are, not so much because its GPL based. A year or so ago I used ubuntu for two or three 
straight months without touching windows. It did m

 aybe 80% of what i wanted to do with the computer. but I missed the voice variety i got on windows and 
easy set up of audio games. so i went back to win7. I use android not because its linux based but because 
it has some of the best gps support I ever seen. I still keep a ubuntu disk around for some stuff like 
partitioning drives and keeping up with what's going on in the latest orca. I also considered linux for my 
son. but he likes to play roblox and setting that up in linux is still a pain and reports say it often 
crashes. don't know i can't see to play it. so I'll get him a windows7 core i7 laptop with a 128gig or 
maybe 256gig ssd solid state drive for games and put win10 on it for him. I think until linux really 
improves and supports major commercial software as well as the open source stuff it will always remain a 
fringe OS used by a few percent of people.


follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982


On 9/2/2015 8:00 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
I haven't been following this thread, but the post below either confuses me or I just don't agree. I 
can't think of a single screen reader where you don't need to know at least one key stroke before 
starting, such as how to bring up the preferences. You either have to know that key stroke or be 
familiar enough with the operating system to know how to get into the preferences for an application, 
which I think is what the post below is disagreeing with.

Either way, it's an overly simplistic attitude to say that expecting someone to read some information 
about an application before using it is the reason so many people are put off by Linux.


On 9/1/2015 10:24 AM, B. Henry wrote:
Well, it's not unreasonalble to ask users to read a bit of
documentation to learn a keystroke or two when trying a new desktop,
but unless I'm missing
something folks like myself who use a window manager such as fluxbox
and fill in accessibility gaps with custom scripts would be left out
in the cold if
an orca prefs window was done away with.


I'm sorry, but I have to disagree.  I think that in this case, it is
unreasonable to expect people to be required to read documentation in
order to figure out how to set their Orca prefs.  That attitude in
general is why so many people, both blind and sighted, either are put
off by Linux, won't try it in the first place or give up without ever
installing it and giving it a fair chance.  I don't have a problem
expecting people to read a basic accessibility guide and I agree that
once people have learned the basics that they should be expected to read
the docs, but expecting them to read the docs before they even get
started is asking too much.  Other than your first statement, I agree
with what I think you're trying to say.  I think you're agreeing with my
previous post on the subject which is that regardless of what desktop or
window manager, there needs to be a universal keystroke to access the
Orca prefs.  I don't think people should have to read the docs to find
it, however.

What would be good is for Orca to open the prefs window automatically
when it's started from a live environment so people don't have to hunt
around to find them.  Maybe could a command line switch like --prefs be
added for this?  I thought there was already such a switch, but I didn't
see it when reading "orca --help" on my Ubuntu MATE 15.04 system.
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