Re: [orca-list] GUI Redesign or clearup and modernization

[Devin Prater <r d t prater gmail com>]

Well, I also think that if Linux will be a viable system, it'll need good braille support. Otherwise, people 
will laugh and go back to iOS and Windows.

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> On Sep 2, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Josh K <joshknnd1982 gmail com> wrote:
>
> I think most people are still put off by linux is because of its lack for commercial software for blind 
> folks not a whole lot of speech or voice variety or audio games, and also still having to go into the 
> terminal to do some more advanced tuff. example on windows if i want to turn text to mp3 I get balabolka a 
> gui application that will use any sapi5 voice sapi4 or speech platform voice in windows. in linux i have to 
> hunt down terminal commands to do that. can I do that? yep sure I grew up with dos. command line doesn't 
> bother me. but if given a choice between gui or command line i would mostly always choose the gui solution. 
> Hopefully we will see the day when all desktop linux becomes much like an open source android OS easy, 
> natural, and intuitive to use with many voice choices. I pick my OS based on what it lets me do and how its 
> apps are, not so much because its GPL based. A year or so ago I used ubuntu for two or three straight 
> months without touching windows. It did maybe 80% of what i wanted to do with the computer. but I missed 
> the voice variety i got on windows and easy set up of audio games. so i went back to win7. I use android 
> not because its linux based but because it has some of the best gps support I ever seen. I still keep a 
> ubuntu disk around for some stuff like partitioning drives and keeping up with what's going on in the 
> latest orca. I also considered linux for my son. but he likes to play roblox and setting that up in linux 
> is still a pain and reports say it often crashes. don't know i can't see to play it. so I'll get him a 
> windows7 core i7 laptop with a 128gig or maybe 256gig ssd solid state drive for games and put win10 on it 
> for him. I think until linux really improves and supports major commercial software as well as the open 
> source stuff it will always remain a fringe OS used by a few percent of people.
>
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>
> > On 9/2/2015 8:00 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> > I haven't been following this thread, but the post below either confuses me or I just don't agree. I can't 
> > think of a single screen reader where you don't need to know at least one key stroke before starting, such 
> > as how to bring up the preferences. You either have to know that key stroke or be familiar enough with the 
> > operating system to know how to get into the preferences for an application, which I think is what the 
> > post below is disagreeing with.
> >
> > Either way, it's an overly simplistic attitude to say that expecting someone to read some information 
> > about an application before using it is the reason so many people are put off by Linux.
> >
> > > > On 9/1/2015 10:24 AM, B. Henry wrote:
> > > > Well, it's not unreasonalble to ask users to read a bit of
> > > > documentation to learn a keystroke or two when trying a new desktop,
> > > > but unless I'm missing
> > > > something folks like myself who use a window manager such as fluxbox
> > > > and fill in accessibility gaps with custom scripts would be left out
> > > > in the cold if
> > > > an orca prefs window was done away with.
> > >
> > > I'm sorry, but I have to disagree.  I think that in this case, it is
> > > unreasonable to expect people to be required to read documentation in
> > > order to figure out how to set their Orca prefs.  That attitude in
> > > general is why so many people, both blind and sighted, either are put
> > > off by Linux, won't try it in the first place or give up without ever
> > > installing it and giving it a fair chance.  I don't have a problem
> > > expecting people to read a basic accessibility guide and I agree that
> > > once people have learned the basics that they should be expected to read
> > > the docs, but expecting them to read the docs before they even get
> > > started is asking too much.  Other than your first statement, I agree
> > > with what I think you're trying to say.  I think you're agreeing with my
> > > previous post on the subject which is that regardless of what desktop or
> > > window manager, there needs to be a universal keystroke to access the
> > > Orca prefs.  I don't think people should have to read the docs to find
> > > it, however.
> > >
> > > What would be good is for Orca to open the prefs window automatically
> > > when it's started from a live environment so people don't have to hunt
> > > around to find them.  Maybe could a command line switch like --prefs be
> > > added for this?  I thought there was already such a switch, but I didn't
> > > see it when reading "orca --help" on my Ubuntu MATE 15.04 system.
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