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Re: [orca-list] I was not trying to say that nvda did not have a way to speak one link per line, just that I am pretty sure that this was not the default behavior. Re: Internet

Sorry, did not mean to have that long subject. Looks like I did not tab to the msg body...lol 


     B.H.
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On 18/05/15 01:17 PM, B.Henry wrote:
I was not trying to say that nvda did not have a way to speak one link per line, and if it was understood differently I am sorry. What I was saying, or at least trying to say is that I thought that default was to present things as they appear on the screen to sighted folks which of course often means multiple links per line. I think the setting says something like "when supported" at the end of the setting's description. Am I incorrect about the default behavior, i.e. are you saying that by default nvda shows one link per line no matter what? The toggle is useful for some people I'm sure, so thanks for posting. One advantage, probably the most important in using screen layout or what ever they call it is that when giving or receiving help from a sighted person, especially from remote tech support people is that they often, probably most of the time explain where some link, button or other element is by where it appears on the screen, so if something is on the top right you won't know if you use one link per line mode, and as others have said using tab is easy enough to focus links whether or not more than one link is on a line. 

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On 18/05/15 09:15 AM, Mallard wrote:
No, in NVDA you can chosethe layout of webpages, as far as link presentation is concerned. 

By pressing NVDA+v, you toggle between Screen Layout On and Off.
With Screen Layout on, you have the links rpesente as you suggest, Burt. If you toggle that off, you get the links presented as in Jaws - one underneath the other. 

hth,
ciao,
Ollie



Il 18/05/2015 08:22, B.Henry ha scritto:

Unless things have changed NVDA default is to present links as they
appear, or as close as is possible. I think your GF just likes the jaws
way and set things to show one per line.
NVDA is a great screenreadr in most ways, but I do agree that to anyone
not familar with nvda dev history or who doesn't know a bit of the
technical terminology  used for stuff under the hood can be confused by
the menus.
There are only three main submenus that can be confusing I think, but
they need to have them where one can explore one, maybe make changes,
and then go to another instead of having to reopen menus for each
submenu and a potential small set of modifications.
Being able to configure everything at once is such a pleasure in
comparison, and I'm sure glad orca has managed its menus as it always has. 

      B.H.
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On 16/05/15 06:08 PM, kendell clark wrote:

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hi
I agree with christopher on this one. I've used nvda before, though
thankfully not recently, and while it's not as bad as kyle says it can
be, it's got it's share of bugs, one of which is the presenting of one
link per line. Yes, this can be toggled off, but nvda's preferences
system is even more complicated than orca's, and I never can remember
where the option I want is. I find orca's system much better, and
there's always the o to jump past a block of links for pages who don't
know how to mark themselves up well
Thanks
Kendell clark


Christopher Chaltain wrote:

I use Windows screen readers that break web sites up as you
describe and Orca which doesn't, and I very much prefer the way
Orca does it. If this is implemented, I hope it is a configurable
option, and I hope it isn't made the default. Of course, I'm just
one user, but this is my opinion.

I find reading web sites is much more efficient the way Orca does
it. With the press of one down arrow key, I jump past the row of
links found at the top of many a page. If I want to jump from link
to link one link at a time, I always have the tab key, which will
do this for me.

Orca also gives me a sense of how the page is laid out for a
sighted user, which helps a lot when someone is explaining to me
what to do on a page or even when I'm explaining something on a web
site to a sighted user.

I'm all for taking the best ideas from wherever they come from, but
I think the way Orca does it is the superior way. I came to Linux
and Orca from Windows, but I'm opposed to implementing something in
Orca just because that's how it's implemented in a Windows screen
reader. If a Windows screen reader got it right then let's use it,
but I don't think we're doing Windows users any favors if we don't
introduce them to a better way of doing things.

On 05/16/2015 02:06 PM, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:

Hi,

Today, Orca, on a line of links, says: Home Link 1 Link 2 Link 3

How could we ship a mode to make orca speak one link per line?
Home link 1 link 2

Is it hard? Just to let user choose (not obligation). Possible?
Can you give me info to tell devs?

Regards,


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