Re: [orca-list] Built in Controls for Espeak Pretty Please with Sugar, cheeries, whatever it takes on top :)

[kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>]

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hi
+100
Completely agree here

On 08/27/2014 11:47 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
> Classic case of dev convenience versus user convenience.  Devs
> seem to prefer spd because of its abstraction and so forth.  Users
> prefer anything that makes the software do its job better
> regardless of development philosophy.  I'm strongly in the "make
> e-speak and Orca talk directly to each other" camp.  Too many
> moving parts is not good sometimes.  Take the bug in Debian with
> speech-dispatcher 8. Basically, unless you have pulse, it can't
> open sockets and pretty much doesn't talk at all.  Thank god for
> Espeakup on that box or I'd be only able to use it remotely via
> putty.  If Orca coud talk to Espeak directly, this would be a non
> issue for me.  IMHO too much depends on speech dispatcher.  if it
> goes belly up, there is absolutely nothing else you can use to make
> Orca talk anymore.  Used to be, there was libgnome-speech but Orca
> support for it was discontinued.  Now, it's speech-dispatcher or
> the sound of silence.  I can't tell you how frustrating it is to
> know your machine has a perfectly functioning speech synth that
> works like a charm with one package but not with another.  Speakup
> and Emacspeak talk just fine. Orca, does not.  Dedicating work
> hours to speech-dispatcher is very cold comfort if you don't code.
>
> Alex M
>
>
> On 8/27/14, kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com> wrote: hi 
> Totally agree. I've switched to usinb libao, because of the alsa
> bugs no one seems to want to fix. And please don't start in with
> the use pulse audio option? Pulse is not an option for me, until
> and unless it supports console speech out of the box
>
>
> On 08/27/2014 10:48 PM, Storm Dragon wrote:
> > > > Howdy, Nearly every other screen reader has multiple ways to 
> > > > interact with speech. NVDA has a built in espeak, and the
> > > > other nonfree readers have synths as well, I think most have
> > > > a built in Eloquence. Never once, have I heard any of those
> > > > users complain that their screen reader has entirely too many
> > > > ways to talk. Also, as far as I am aware, no one has ever
> > > > said "Man, I really wish my screen reader had to jump through
> > > > layer after layer of junk to speak." Speech-dispatcher is ok,
> > > > for minimal usage, but it crashes with alsa, has odd
> > > > puctuation inconsistancies, and is slow as molasses. The last
> > > > time development of speech-dispatcher even reached a snail's
> > > > pace was when open-speech or whatever was called was made
> > > > because people weree frustrated with the lack of progress 
> > > > made by speech-dispatcher. I'm not even asking to replace
> > > > spd. Let the people who like it use it. That's one thing that
> > > > makes Linux rock, there's usually more than one way to do
> > > > things. for some people, speech-dispatcher may be fine. for
> > > > me, it's falling rather short. Also, with a reliable way to
> > > > deliver speech, speech-dispatcher can drag on it its
> > > > currently abysmally slow progress, and we can have fully
> > > > working espeak. Speech-dispatcher has been around and for a
> > > > long time now, and there still not full support for espeak...
> > > > No way to use variants, and you have to hack it to use
> > > > freasonably fast espeak. Thanks Storm On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at
> > > > 01:24:42PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:57:33AM AEST, Mike Ray wrote:
> > > > > > As far as Orca is concerned it should not care what
> > > > > > synthesiser is doing the speaking, it just offers up what
> > > > > > it gets from the a11y server layer to sd to pass on to
> > > > > > whatever is doing the speaking.
> > > > >
> > > > > I totally agree. If you folks want to make full use of
> > > > > what eSpeak has to offer, please get involved with Speech
> > > > > Dispatcher development to extend it to do what you want.
> > > > > Unfortunately I haven't had time to give the project any
> > > > > love in the past months, but I'll be making time in the
> > > > > coming week to get a bugfix test release out and start to
> > > > > look at future improvements.
> > > > >
> > > > > Luke _______________________________________________
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> > > > >
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> > > >
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