Re: [orca-list] Built in Controls for Espeak Pretty Please with Sugar, cheeries, whatever it takes on top :)

[Alex Midence <alex midence gmail com>]

Classic case of dev convenience versus user convenience.  Devs  seem
to prefer spd because of its abstraction and so forth.  Users prefer
anything that makes the software do its job better regardless of
development philosophy.  I'm strongly in the "make e-speak and Orca
talk directly to each other" camp.  Too many moving parts is not good
sometimes.  Take the bug in Debian with speech-dispatcher 8.
Basically, unless you have pulse, it can't open sockets and pretty
much doesn't talk at all.  Thank god for Espeakup on that box or I'd
be only able to use it remotely via putty.  If Orca coud talk to
Espeak directly, this would be a non issue for me.  IMHO too much
depends on speech dispatcher.  if it goes belly up, there is
absolutely nothing else you can use to make Orca talk anymore.  Used
to be, there was libgnome-speech but Orca support for it was
discontinued.  Now, it's speech-dispatcher or the sound of silence.  I
can't tell you how frustrating it is to know your machine has a
perfectly functioning speech synth that works like a charm with one
package but not with another.  Speakup and Emacspeak talk just fine.
Orca, does not.  Dedicating work hours to speech-dispatcher is very
cold comfort if you don't code.

Alex M


On 8/27/14, kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com> wrote:
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> hi
> Totally agree. I've switched to usinb libao, because of the alsa bugs
> no one seems to want to fix. And please don't start in with the use
> pulse audio option? Pulse is not an option for me, until and unless it
> supports console speech out of the box
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> On 08/27/2014 10:48 PM, Storm Dragon wrote:
> > Howdy, Nearly every other screen reader has multiple ways to
> > interact with speech. NVDA has a built in espeak, and the other
> > nonfree readers have synths as well, I think most have a built in
> > Eloquence. Never once, have I heard any of those users complain
> > that their screen reader has entirely too many ways to talk. Also,
> > as far as I am aware, no one has ever said "Man, I really wish my
> > screen reader had to jump through layer after layer of junk to
> > speak." Speech-dispatcher is ok, for minimal usage, but it crashes
> > with alsa, has odd puctuation inconsistancies, and is slow as
> > molasses. The last time development of speech-dispatcher even
> > reached a snail's pace was when open-speech or whatever was called
> > was made because people weree frustrated with the lack of progress
> > made by speech-dispatcher. I'm not even asking to replace spd. Let
> > the people who like it use it. That's one thing that makes Linux
> > rock, there's usually more than one way to do things. for some
> > people, speech-dispatcher may be fine. for me, it's falling rather
> > short. Also, with a reliable way to deliver speech,
> > speech-dispatcher can drag on it its currently abysmally slow
> > progress, and we can have fully working espeak. Speech-dispatcher
> > has been around and for a long time now, and there still not full
> > support for espeak... No way to use variants, and you have to hack
> > it to use freasonably fast espeak. Thanks Storm On Thu, Aug 28,
> > 2014 at 01:24:42PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
> > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:57:33AM AEST, Mike Ray wrote:
> > > > As far as Orca is concerned it should not care what synthesiser
> > > > is doing the speaking, it just offers up what it gets from the
> > > > a11y server layer to sd to pass on to whatever is doing the
> > > > speaking.
> > >
> > > I totally agree. If you folks want to make full use of what
> > > eSpeak has to offer, please get involved with Speech Dispatcher
> > > development to extend it to do what you want. Unfortunately I
> > > haven't had time to give the project any love in the past months,
> > > but I'll be making time in the coming week to get a bugfix test
> > > release out and start to look at future improvements.
> > >
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