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Re: [orca-list] Do we need "accessible" linux distributions anymore? was Re: Go to upper left and lower right corner in orca.

Irrelevant.  Vinux 4 is based on Precise which is an LTS version.  Precise
still has Unity 2d.  

Alex M


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Subject: Re: [orca-list] Do we need "accessible" linux distributions
anymore? was Re: Go to upper left and lower right corner in orca.

Unity 2D was removed/phased out in Quantal. What will you do for Raring?


Bill
On 01/30/2013 04:46 PM, Mobeen Iqbal wrote:

Hi Krishnakant.

Well, our main focus is on Unity 2D. its been a controversial decision 
to be honest. Our teams have put so much effort in to making it 
accessible, documenting changes and making sure users are confident 
when using it. We're also going to be including a package which will 
place an icon in the main menu to switch to a simple menu layout, 
similar to gnome shell.

Mo.


On 29/01/2013 18:11, Krishnakant Mane wrote:

Hi Mo,
Very good explanation and I think those who can understand will 
understand, provided  people have sensitivity towards such a project.
Well, I am just curious, what version of gnome shell are we going to 
have?
And will there be unity 2d?
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
On 01/29/2013 11:38 PM, Mobeen Iqbal wrote:

Hi Alex.

You've hit the knail on the head. The reason why Vinux 4 has taken 
so long to be released is because we are trying to make it as bug 
free as possible and as intuitive both from a user standpoint, and a 
developer standpoint. Its always been a case of playing catch up to 
be honest. If we rush to release the cutting edge, it would be 
highly likely that people would not be able to use Vinux, would not 
be able to depend on Vinux, and would write us off as a crap distro.
In short, if people want to use the cutting edge they can download 
stock ubuntu, if they want someone to do the leg work so they don't 
have too they could use Vinux but that obviously means waiting while 
major accessibility bugs are ironed out. It all depends what you 
want from your distro, there's something for everyone and there's no 
harm in having a choice, that's the beauty of the world of Linux.

Mo.


On 29/01/2013 08:14, Alex Midence wrote:

Vinux 4 is based on Ubuntu 12.04.  that's not that far out of date.  
Just so you know, Debian Squeeze is very very similar to Ubuntu 
Lucid in what packages it makes available to you.  Squeeze is the 
current version of Debian deemed production-worthy.  What I'm 
trying to say is that even mainstream distros have other goals than 
just being on the bleeding edge.
Vinux 3 is dependably accessible.  It allowed tons of  folks to 
experience Linux accessibly and without glitches for the first 
time.  Vinux 4 will continue the tradition.  I don't know why it's 
taken so long to come out but I'm sure its got to do with putting 
out a quality product. Perhaps Mo or Don or one of the others from 
that team would care to chime in.
I am also happy that so much work has gone into mainstream distros 
and desktops that won't necessitate such a specialized spin as much.
However,
let us not forget how easily it could go the other way.  Let some 
new-fangled library come along or a new interface and things change 
for a time.  Look at Ubuntu 12.10 and 13.04's accessibility and 
compare it to 12.04.  Look at gnome 2.32's accessibility and 
compare it to Gnome 3.0's.
sure now, it's doing nicely but snags may be encountered in the 
future.  If that happens, it's nice to know there are folks out 
there whose work will ensure we have an accessible distribution we 
can use to tide us over while the mainstream folks get all their 
ducks back in a row with regard to accessibility.

Alex M

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Subject: Re: [orca-list] Do we need "accessible" linux 
distributions anymore? was Re: Go to upper left and lower right corner

in orca.


It seems to me that the energy being put into creating a lot of CDs 
that are accessible could better be spent in making mainstream life 
CDs more accessible. One problem That plagues the so-called 
accessible CDs is that they fall far behind the live CDs that they 
were originally made for for example, vinux Was an outstanding 
distro based on Ubuntu, but now it is far out of date, having been 
based on version 10.04. This is one reason why I appreciate all the 
hard work that is been done to make gnome commonly accessible. 
Anyone can open orca from gnome and use it completely ice free.
Start orca and carry on from there.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 26, 2013, at 1:10 PM, Jude
DaShiell<jdashiel shellworld net>  wrote:


No, debian rescue won't work with speech and here's why.  The s 
parameter you use to start a debian installation disk speaking is 
mutually exclusive to rescue as a parameter.  That means you can 
enter one or the other but not both and have both work.  S and 
expert are also

mutually exclusive.

It might be possible to start speech once the system had come up 
in rescue mode if you had an audible indication when the system 
was ready for input by perhaps opening up another terminal then 
starting speakup up as soft_synth in that terminal though.On Sat, 
26 Jan 2013, Geoff Shang

wrote:

On Sat, 26 Jan 2013, Jude DaShiell wrote:


grml is a bit different.
Hardware or software speech can be used to install and run 
afterwards and the last time I checked that out you needed the 
grmlmonster.iso to do it which fits on a dvd only.  You're left 
in a console environment after installation in grml too.

Apparently speech support has been removed from GRML as of 
version
2011.12 as no-one was willing to maintain it.  I only discovered 
this the other day when I wanted to use it to look at a system. 
Braille support remains, or rather was re-added in 2012.5.

This concerns me a lot as GRML is very useful for system rescue etc.
I don't know if the rescue mode of the Debian Wheezy CD would be 
a sufficient substitude, but as has been said in this thread 
already,

choice is good.

I'm sure that if anyone is willing to help out with this, the 
GRML maintainers would be more than happy to hear from you.

Geoff.

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l The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out 
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Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out 
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Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to
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