Some distros do that:  ÂUbuntu  Debian  Knopix Adrienne  Trisquel  GRML Trouble is, they are all essentially Debian based. If you want to try other stuff like Red Hat clones (Fedora, Centos, ETC.), youâre out of luck without sighted assistance. Same thing for Suse and Slackware. I heard Gentoo had a11y support that was fairly decent and thereâs a Talking Arch cd out there but I think this is a specialized spin and not the mainstream Archlinux. The days are not here yet when you can pick and choose your distro like people w/o a11y needs. ÂThere are even lots of Debian-based distributions that donât have good a11y support. Take Mint. I recently listened to a podcast showcasing how nice the latest version of Mint was and was disappointed to find that Cinnamon did not have good accessibility even though it was heavily based on Gnome2. Time for a specialized spin, if you ask me. Thanks. Alex M From: orca-list-bounces gnome org [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of Daniel Barich
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 7:42 AM
To: Bill Dengler
Cc: orca-list
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Do we need "accessible" linux distributions anymore? was Re: Go to upper left and lower right corner in orca. Ideally, I think we should put the accessibility improvements from accessible distros in the mainstream distros. The screen readers could be made to turn on with simple keystrokes. On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Bill Dengler <billkd314159 gmail com> wrote: I think the problems are that documentation for orca is out of date and just horrible. I'll describe each point below :
With Vinux, a user doesn't need to know to press control+s, it just
comes up talking.
A user should do some research before reinstalling their OS.
Your instructions don't include how to get Speakup
talking in the console.
In debian, it works out of the box. In ubuntu, you
apt-get install espeakup
then at the console
modprobe speakup_soft
espeakup
If you have a hardware synth, see the speakup site
They don't include getting Emacspeak installed
and working without any latency.
use gedit, mousepad, nano, or vim. You can compile code on the command line. If you really see the benefits of emacs, you can use it with speakup or use xemax with orca.
I don't think you get an accessible IRC
client on stock Ubuntu.
apt-get install pidgin(as root)
or
apt-get install epic4(as root)
or
apt-get install irssi(as root)
These are just the things that come to mind. Of
course, none of this may be important to you, but then no one needs to
use Vinux or Sonar. They're just there for those who want some of the
work done for them.
On 24/01/13 16:31, Bill Dengler wrote:
> Ubuntu/Debian out-of-box a11y has improved SIGNIFICANTLY over the past
> few months. You don't need "accessible" apps anymore, the included ones
> work beautifully in ubuntu and minimal work is required for Debian(the
> only thing I can't get working is a talking login).
> for ubuntu accessibility,
> 1 - download the Ubuntu 12.10 or 12.04 ISO and boot from it.
> 2 - listen for the system-ready sound
> 3 - press CTRL+S
> 4 - when you hear "welcome to orca", configure orca to your liking
> 5 - press alt+tab
> 6 - click the "install ubuntu" button
> 7 - complete the installer
> 8 - eject the DVD at the installation complete message
> 9 - boot into your new talking system
> for debian(gnome shell) :
> 1 - download the latest wheezy debian installer from the debian
> installer website
> 2 - insert the CD and boot from it
> 3 - press the following keys :
> s tab space priority = low enter
> so, press s, then tab, then space, then type "priority=low" without the
> quotes, then press enter.
> 4 - follow the prompts up to the set users and passwords step. For this
> step, you will want to create the second user account(for x). Then,
> continue following the prompts up to the "select and install software"
> step, for this step, select :
> debian desktop environment
> SSH server
> standard system utilities
> other stuff if you want(I.E. web server)
> 5 - proceed with the rest of the install then eject the CD and reboot
> 6 - wait a few seconds(about 8 seconds on my SSD, about 30-45 for a hard
> drive) for the system to boot
> 7 - press the up arrow key until you hear the freedesktop bell sound,
> then press enter.
> 8 - enter the password of the second user you created, then press enter.
> 9 - press the super key on your keyboard, type orca, then press enter.
> 10 - press the super key on your keyboard, type gnome-control-center,
> then press enter.
> 11 - choose "universal access"
> 12 - toggle the screen reader switch button to the on state
>
> On 01/24/2013 03:55 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>> I guess you're saying that Sonar and Vinux aren't needed, but that's
>> always been the case. Vinux takes the work out of getting an accessible
>> OS with a set of accessible applications. Of course, you could do the
>> work the Vinux developers have already done, and there's nothing wrong
>> with that, or you could take advantage of their work, and again, there's
>> nothing wrong with that.
>>
>>
>> On 24/01/13 14:05, Bill Dengler wrote:
>>> Not needed anymore.
>>>
>>> On 01/24/2013 01:40 PM, Krishnakant Mane wrote:
>>>> Or perhaps Sonar.
>>>> Happy hacking.
>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>> On 01/24/2013 11:24 PM, Bill Dengler wrote:
>>>>> Ubuntu 10.04 is considered oldstable. If you want to stick to LTS,
>>>>> you can upgrade to 12.04 or you just upgrade to 12.10. I think Vinux
>>>>> is some kind of blind distro, which isn't required anymore.
>>>>> Therefore, I advise you to completely wipe your drive and start with
>>>>> a fresh, vanilla copy of either Ubuntu or debian.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Anders Holmberg
>>>>> <anders pipkrokodil se <mailto:anders pipkrokodil se>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> Using orca 3.1.9 which i unerstand is pritty oldish.
>>>>> Can i upgrade if i have vinux 3.0.2 running ubuntu 10.04.And how
>>>>> do i go about updating?
>>>>> /A
>>>>> 23 jan 2013 kl. 21:40 skrev Bill Dengler <billkd314159 gmail com
>>>>> <mailto:billkd314159 gmail com>>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you using orca 3.7x(Ubuntu quantal), 3.5(arch probably has
>>>>>> this), 3.4x(debian wheezy/sid), or something else? To find out :
>>>>>> 1 - click the "about" button in the orca window, or run orca
>>>>>> --version
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>> On 01/23/2013 03:37 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>> I do think you missunderstand what i want. FIrst of all i can't
>>>>>>> find the settings you mentioned.
>>>>>>> I am using a pritty oldish version of orca due to the fact that
>>>>>>> i have vinux 3.0.2.
>>>>>>> which papenmeier has included in their displays.
>>>>>>> Using the el bar and pressing it upp till i hear it clicks two
>>>>>>> times.
>>>>>>> /AWhat i want is to jump to the top of the screen using the
>>>>>>> feature
>>>>>>> 23 jan 2013 kl. 13:59 skrev Bill Dengler
>>>>>>> <billkd314159 gmail com <mailto:billkd314159 gmail com>>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In orca preferences, set the mouse to follow orca's
>>>>>>>> focus(don't remember where it is), then move your mouse to the
>>>>>>>> appropriate section of the screen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:35 AM, Anders Holmberg
>>>>>>>> <anders pipkrokodil se <mailto:anders pipkrokodil se>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>> In brltty when in a console i can use my braillex el 40 s
>>>>>>>> navigation bar feature to go to the first and last lines
>>>>>>>> of a window.
>>>>>>>> It can be done by pressing the navigationbar so that it
>>>>>>>> clicks twice.
>>>>>>>> However this feature should be implemented into orca or
>>>>>>>> can i define such things myself?
>>>>>>>> /A
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>>>>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on
> Orca.
>>>>>>>> The manual is at
>>>>>>>>
> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>>>> The FAQ is at
>>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>>>>> <http://bugzilla.gnome.org/>
>>>>>>>> Find out how to help at
> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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