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Re: [orca-list] Do we need "accessible" linux distributions anymore? was Re: Go to upper left and lower right corner in orca.

I haven't run Ubuntu 12.10 myself, but I've seen problems reported on
this, the Ubuntu Accessibility list and other lists, and the
recommendation is always to go to the LTS Ubuntu 12.04 with Unity 2D. I
also know there was much more effort put into making Unity 2D accessible
than there was with Unity 3D, although that's changing now that Unity 2D
is no longer supported.

On 24/01/13 17:43, Bill Dengler wrote:

What known accessibility issues do you find in unity 3d? I had no
problems using it in 12.10 and 13.04, but I did have some minor issues
in 12.04, 11.10, and 11.04.
The only issue I see with Ubuntu right now, which I ran into when I
received my system76 linux laptop, was that the installed version of
Ubuntu was in OEM mode and there was no way to activate a11y. I should
probably report that as an ubuntu bug, or do you know of a way? ctrl+s
didn't work.
On 01/24/2013 06:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

That's a good point, but upgrading/updating a system can introduce
problems no matter the distribution. 12.10 uses Unity 3D, which has some
known accessibility issues, and unless you're downloading and compiling
the source yourself, you're always running some back level code.

On 24/01/13 17:33, Bill Dengler wrote:

FYI
I started out with my Linux experimentation back with Ubuntu 8.10. Then,
after that, used it for years on an Asterisk PBX server. I finally
decided to switch to it full time during the Ubuntu 12.04 testing cycle.
I used it up until 13.04 where I switched to Debian. I have used the
horribly out of date distro's 11.04/10.04 releases, which sort of
worked, but also wouldn't properly upgrade and blew up. Now, would a new
linux user enjoy :
1 - seeing an update-manager notice
2 - installing the update
3 - rebooting
4 - kernel panic
5 - reinstall
6 - restart at step 1
I sure wouldn't have.
On 01/24/2013 05:52 PM, Alex Midence wrote:

Libreoffice isn't as accessible as you make out in Ubuntu 12.10.

Neither is

Unity 3d.  I'll grant you Debian is accessible at start up but, you

put that

in front of a lot of Linux newbies and you're in for frustration.

Debian is

not a distribution which I think people new to Linux should tackle as

their

first one.  Ubuntu, sure but not Debian.  Now, Ubuntu 12.04 is very

nice

with fantastic accessibility support out of the box and very
newbie-friendly.  I still think Vinux 4 has a lot to offer though.  If

you

haven't tried Vinux which, your comments lead me to believe you

haven't, you

really can't speak on what it offers with anything but speculation.

I, on

the other hand started using vinux in 2010 and have kept an eye on it

even

after I switched first to Ubuntu proper in 11.10 and then to Debian in

early

2012.  It's still a great distribution for blind people who are just
starting out with Linux or want to benefit from all the a11y heavy

lifting

being done for them and who want to just hit the ground running.  Not
everyone revels in a lot of the tinkering and tweaking you have to

do in

Linux sometimes.  Some folks just want to get to work if you catch my
meaning.

Alex M



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Behalf Of Bill Dengler
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 4:32 PM
To: Christopher Chaltain
Cc: orca-list gnome org
Subject: [orca-list] Do we need "accessible" linux distributions

anymore?

was Re: Go to upper left and lower right corner in orca.

Ubuntu/Debian out-of-box a11y has improved SIGNIFICANTLY over the past

few

months. You don't need "accessible" apps anymore, the included ones

work

beautifully in ubuntu and minimal work is required for Debian(the only

thing

I can't get working is a talking login).
for ubuntu accessibility,
1 - download the Ubuntu 12.10 or 12.04 ISO and boot from it.
2 - listen for the system-ready sound
3 - press CTRL+S
4 - when you hear "welcome to orca", configure orca to your liking
5 - press alt+tab
6 - click the "install ubuntu" button
7 - complete the installer
8 - eject the DVD at the installation complete message
9 - boot into your new talking system
for debian(gnome shell) :
1 - download the latest wheezy debian installer from the debian

installer

website
2 - insert the CD and boot from it
3 - press the following keys :
s tab space priority = low enter
so, press s, then tab, then space, then type "priority=low" without the
quotes, then press enter.
4 - follow the prompts up to the set users and passwords step. For this
step, you will want to create the second user account(for x). Then,

continue

following the prompts up to the "select and install software"
step, for this step, select :
debian desktop environment
SSH server
standard system utilities
other stuff if you want(I.E. web server)
5 - proceed with the rest of the install then eject the CD and reboot
6 - wait a few seconds(about 8 seconds on my SSD, about 30-45 for a

hard

drive) for the system to boot
7 - press the up arrow key until you hear the freedesktop bell sound,

then

press enter.
8 - enter the password of the second user you created, then press

enter.

9 - press the super key on your keyboard, type orca, then press enter.
10 - press the super key on your keyboard, type gnome-control-center,

then

press enter.
11 - choose "universal access"
12 - toggle the screen reader switch button to the on state

On 01/24/2013 03:55 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

I guess you're saying that Sonar and Vinux aren't needed, but that's >

always been the case. Vinux takes the work out of getting an

accessible >

OS with a set of accessible applications. Of course, you could do the >
work the Vinux developers have already done, and there's nothing

wrong >

with that, or you could take advantage of their work, and again,

there's >

nothing wrong with that.


On 24/01/13 14:05, Bill Dengler wrote:

Not needed anymore.

On 01/24/2013 01:40 PM, Krishnakant Mane wrote:

Or perhaps Sonar.
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
On 01/24/2013 11:24 PM, Bill Dengler wrote:

Ubuntu 10.04 is considered oldstable. If you want to stick to LTS,
you can upgrade to 12.04 or you just upgrade to 12.10. I think

Vinux

is some kind of blind distro, which isn't required anymore.
Therefore, I advise you to completely wipe your drive and start

with

a fresh, vanilla copy of either Ubuntu or debian.


On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Anders Holmberg >>>>

<anders pipkrokodil se <mailto:anders pipkrokodil se>> wrote:

    Hi!
    Using orca 3.1.9 which i unerstand is pritty oldish.
    Can i upgrade if i have vinux 3.0.2 running ubuntu 10.04.And

how

    do i go about updating?
    /A
    23 jan 2013 kl. 21:40 skrev Bill Dengler

<billkd314159 gmail com

<mailto:billkd314159 gmail com>>:


    Are you using orca 3.7x(Ubuntu quantal), 3.5(arch probably has
    this), 3.4x(debian wheezy/sid), or something else? To find

out :

    1 - click the "about" button in the orca window, or run orca
    --version

    Bill
    On 01/23/2013 03:37 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

    Hi!
    I do think you missunderstand what i want. FIrst of all i

can't

    find the settings you mentioned.
    I am using a pritty oldish version of orca due to the fact

that

    i have vinux 3.0.2.
    which papenmeier has included in their displays.
    Using the el bar and pressing it upp till i hear it clicks

two

    times.
    /AWhat i want is to jump to the top of the screen using the
    feature
    23 jan 2013 kl. 13:59 skrev Bill Dengler
<billkd314159 gmail com <mailto:billkd314159 gmail com>>:


    In orca preferences, set the mouse to follow orca's
    focus(don't remember where it is), then move your mouse to

the

    appropriate section of the screen.


    On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:35 AM, Anders Holmberg
<anders pipkrokodil se <mailto:anders pipkrokodil se>> wrote:

        Hi!
        In brltty when in a console i can use my braillex el

40 s

        navigation bar feature to go to the first and last lines
        of a window.
        It can be done by pressing the navigationbar so that it
        clicks twice.
        However this feature should be implemented into orca or
        can i define such things myself?
        /A
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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at

http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html

The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find

out

how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out

how to

help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp





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