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Re: [orca-list] Do we need "accessible" linux distributions anymore? was Re: Go to upper left and lower right corner in orca.

FYI
I started out with my Linux experimentation back with Ubuntu 8.10. Then, after that, used it for years on an Asterisk PBX server. I finally decided to switch to it full time during the Ubuntu 12.04 testing cycle. I used it up until 13.04 where I switched to Debian. I have used the horribly out of date distro's 11.04/10.04 releases, which sort of worked, but also wouldn't properly upgrade and blew up. Now, would a new linux user enjoy : 
1 - seeing an update-manager notice
2 - installing the update
3 - rebooting
4 - kernel panic
5 - reinstall
6 - restart at step 1
I sure wouldn't have.
On 01/24/2013 05:52 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
> Libreoffice isn't as accessible as you make out in Ubuntu 12.10. Neither is > Unity 3d. I'll grant you Debian is accessible at start up but, you put that > in front of a lot of Linux newbies and you're in for frustration. Debian is > not a distribution which I think people new to Linux should tackle as their 
> first one.  Ubuntu, sure but not Debian.  Now, Ubuntu 12.04 is very nice
> with fantastic accessibility support out of the box and very
> newbie-friendly. I still think Vinux 4 has a lot to offer though. If you > haven't tried Vinux which, your comments lead me to believe you haven't, you > really can't speak on what it offers with anything but speculation. I, on > the other hand started using vinux in 2010 and have kept an eye on it even > after I switched first to Ubuntu proper in 11.10 and then to Debian in early 
> 2012.  It's still a great distribution for blind people who are just
> starting out with Linux or want to benefit from all the a11y heavy lifting 
> being done for them and who want to just hit the ground running.  Not
> everyone revels in a lot of the tinkering and tweaking you have to do in
> Linux sometimes.  Some folks just want to get to work if you catch my
> meaning.
>
> Alex M
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: orca-list-bounces gnome org [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On
> Behalf Of Bill Dengler
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 4:32 PM
> To: Christopher Chaltain
> Cc: orca-list gnome org
> Subject: [orca-list] Do we need "accessible" linux distributions anymore?
> was Re: Go to upper left and lower right corner in orca.
>
> Ubuntu/Debian out-of-box a11y has improved SIGNIFICANTLY over the past few 
> months. You don't need "accessible" apps anymore, the included ones work
> beautifully in ubuntu and minimal work is required for Debian(the only thing 
> I can't get working is a talking login).
> for ubuntu accessibility,
> 1 - download the Ubuntu 12.10 or 12.04 ISO and boot from it.
> 2 - listen for the system-ready sound
> 3 - press CTRL+S
> 4 - when you hear "welcome to orca", configure orca to your liking
> 5 - press alt+tab
> 6 - click the "install ubuntu" button
> 7 - complete the installer
> 8 - eject the DVD at the installation complete message
> 9 - boot into your new talking system
> for debian(gnome shell) :
> 1 - download the latest wheezy debian installer from the debian installer
> website
> 2 - insert the CD and boot from it
> 3 - press the following keys :
> s tab space priority = low enter
> so, press s, then tab, then space, then type "priority=low" without the
> quotes, then press enter.
> 4 - follow the prompts up to the set users and passwords step. For this
> step, you will want to create the second user account(for x). Then, continue 
> following the prompts up to the "select and install software"
> step, for this step, select :
> debian desktop environment
> SSH server
> standard system utilities
> other stuff if you want(I.E. web server)
> 5 - proceed with the rest of the install then eject the CD and reboot
> 6 - wait a few seconds(about 8 seconds on my SSD, about 30-45 for a hard
> drive) for the system to boot
> 7 - press the up arrow key until you hear the freedesktop bell sound, then 
> press enter.
> 8 - enter the password of the second user you created, then press enter.
> 9 - press the super key on your keyboard, type orca, then press enter.
> 10 - press the super key on your keyboard, type gnome-control-center, then 
> press enter.
> 11 - choose "universal access"
> 12 - toggle the screen reader switch button to the on state
>
> On 01/24/2013 03:55 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> > I guess you're saying that Sonar and Vinux aren't needed, but that's >
> always been the case. Vinux takes the work out of getting an accessible >
> OS with a set of accessible applications. Of course, you could do the >
> work the Vinux developers have already done, and there's nothing wrong >
> with that, or you could take advantage of their work, and again, there's > 
> nothing wrong with that.
> >
> >
> > On 24/01/13 14:05, Bill Dengler wrote:
> >> Not needed anymore.
> >>
> >> On 01/24/2013 01:40 PM, Krishnakant Mane wrote:
> >>> Or perhaps Sonar.
> >>> Happy hacking.
> >>> Krishnakant.
> >>> On 01/24/2013 11:24 PM, Bill Dengler wrote:
> >>>> Ubuntu 10.04 is considered oldstable. If you want to stick to LTS,
>>>>> you can upgrade to 12.04 or you just upgrade to 12.10. I think Vinux
>>>>> is some kind of blind distro, which isn't required anymore.
> >>>> Therefore, I advise you to completely wipe your drive and start with
>>>>> a fresh, vanilla copy of either Ubuntu or debian.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Anders Holmberg >>>>
> <anders pipkrokodil se <mailto:anders pipkrokodil se>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>     Hi!
> >>>>     Using orca 3.1.9 which i unerstand is pritty oldish.
> >>>>     Can i upgrade if i have vinux 3.0.2 running ubuntu 10.04.And how
> >>>>     do i go about updating?
> >>>>     /A
> >>>>     23 jan 2013 kl. 21:40 skrev Bill Dengler <billkd314159 gmail com
> >>>> <mailto:billkd314159 gmail com>>:
> >>>>
> >>>>>     Are you using orca 3.7x(Ubuntu quantal), 3.5(arch probably has
> >>>>> this), 3.4x(debian wheezy/sid), or something else? To find out : 
> >>>>>     1 - click the "about" button in the orca window, or run orca
> >>>>>     --version
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     Bill
> >>>>>     On 01/23/2013 03:37 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
> >>>>>>     Hi!
> >>>>>> I do think you missunderstand what i want. FIrst of all i can't 
> >>>>>>     find the settings you mentioned.
> >>>>>> I am using a pritty oldish version of orca due to the fact that 
> >>>>>>     i have vinux 3.0.2.
> >>>>>>     which papenmeier has included in their displays.
> >>>>>>     Using the el bar and pressing it upp till i hear it clicks two
> >>>>>>     times.
> >>>>>>     /AWhat i want is to jump to the top of the screen using the
> >>>>>>     feature
> >>>>>>     23 jan 2013 kl. 13:59 skrev Bill Dengler
> >>>>>> <billkd314159 gmail com <mailto:billkd314159 gmail com>>:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>     In orca preferences, set the mouse to follow orca's
> >>>>>>> focus(don't remember where it is), then move your mouse to the 
> >>>>>>>     appropriate section of the screen.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>     On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:35 AM, Anders Holmberg
> >>>>>>> <anders pipkrokodil se <mailto:anders pipkrokodil se>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>         Hi!
> >>>>>>>         In brltty when in a console i can use my braillex el 40 s
> >>>>>>>         navigation bar feature to go to the first and last lines
> >>>>>>>         of a window.
> >>>>>>>         It can be done by pressing the navigationbar so that it
> >>>>>>>         clicks twice.
> >>>>>>>         However this feature should be implemented into orca or
> >>>>>>>         can i define such things myself?
> >>>>>>>         /A
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> >>>>>>>         https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> >>>>>>>         Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information
> on Orca.
> >>>>>>>         The manual is at
> >>>>>>>
> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> >>>>>>>         The FAQ is at
> >>>>>>>         http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> >>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org 
> >>>>>>> <http://bugzilla.gnome.org/>
> >>>>>>>         Find out how to help at
> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> >>>> The manual is at
> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> >>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> Find
> out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> >> The manual is at
> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out
> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> >>
>
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