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Re: [orca-list] talking gdm with orca in fedora

I double checked, and Canonical doesn't offer any engineering
certification program, although there are some classes and there is some
training available.

I believe Ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu Server use the same kernel right
now, so although there isn't a installer for the Ubuntu Server CD
itself, you should be able to install Ubuntu Desktop and then by adding
and removing packages, get to a "Ubuntu Server".

Depending on the metrics, I can see where Ubuntu Server might be seen as
the #1 Linux server in the world. Due to it's pricing scheme, it's very
popular in situations where you have a lot of small inexpensive servers,
cloud instances or high density or hyperscale servers. I think though,
that you'll find RHEL is still king on the large heavy metal servers.

Also, if you find the right company, they'll place a premium on real
world and open source community experience and not on a certification
program. Good luck!

On 14/06/12 03:17, Alex Midence wrote:

Yep, we sure did.  Ubuntu was tagged as having overtaken Rhel by some
Linux interest group or other that did a survey.  I think I posted it
just to the Vinux list.  I'm not using any metrics.  All I did was do an
experimental job search for who was hiring and for what for linux-based
jobs.  It seemed like every other posting was for someone who knew their
way around Rhel.  The only Ubuntu related jobs I found were on LInked In
and looked like sales positions with Cannonical itself and not sys
admin, developer or network admin type positions like what you see for
Red Hat.  Makes me wonder where that company got its data that Ubuntu is
more popular than Rhel.  It was kind of depressing actually since I
don't know a single blind person who uses Rhel as their distro of choice
either at home or at work.

I think I'll just keep doing what I've been doing for now with servers. 
Debian also seems pretty popular for servers and there's a bonus in that
you can actually install the thing without sighted assistance.  I'm
pretty much still learning the basics anyway.  I certainly havent'
gotten as far as to tinker with cloud-based solutions yet.

Alex M

On 6/13/2012 10:08 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

I found the following professional certification for ubuntu:
http://www.ubuntu.com/support/training/course-descriptions/certified-professional


I don't know if this will be updated for 12.04 or not. I heard there
used to be a professional certification for Ubuntu Server, but that
doesn't appear to exist anymore. I f I find out any more, I'll pass it
along.

You're right, to my knowledge, there is no accessible installer for the
Ubuntu Server CD. I'm guessing it isn't considered a priority since
Ubuntu Server is probably installed primarily over the network or inside
a cloud instance.

I don't know, but does RHEL use the Anaconda installer like Fedora does?

BTW, didn't we just exchange some messages on which was the most popular
Linux server distribution? I'm pretty sure I said it was RHEL, and you
corrected me by telling me it was Ubuntu Server. Nothing would make me
happier to hear that, but I suspect it depends on what metrics you're
using. Just curious, I'm not trying to make a point.

On 13/06/12 11:24, Alex Midence wrote:

Wouldn't dream of forgetting Ubuntu.  I'm a huge fan.  However,
correct me if I'm wrong but, there does not seem to be an accessible
installation iso for Ubuntu server at this time.  Is this true or,
does it have speakup with software speech à la Debian?  I'm banking on
Rhel eventually having an accessible installer via Anaconda and the
contributions made by Joannie to what I am assuming is the Fedora
version.  Also, when I say that the jobs these days seem to put a
premium on Rhel, I am basing it on a recent search on dice.com.  It's
a site for technical professionals to find jobs.  Typing Linux in the
search field brings up postings from all over the world and the
requirement that constantly comes up is Red Hat expertise.  Some day,
I'd like to telecommute for my job as my kids get older so I can be
there for them more.  Lots of these jobs are Telecommuting jobs.
Trouble is, I don't know anything about Red Hat other than it's a port
of Linux that uses rpm and yum and that there are tons of
certifications you can get on it.  Does Ubuntu have a certification
like those for Red Hat which a hiring manager can use as a gauge of
potential expertise?


Alex M

On 6/13/12, Christopher Chaltain<chaltain gmail com>  wrote:

Don't forget to compare RHEL with Ubuntu Server when talking about
stability comparisons. I also wouldn't say Ubuntu uses bleeding edge
packages, especially in Ubuntu Server, although I agree they are newer
than what gets distributed by Red Hat. Of course, this has it's pros
and
cons.

On 13/06/12 09:26, Thomas Ward wrote:

Hi Alex,

Maybe so, but let me just say Red Hat Enterprise uses much older
packages than Fedora. While Fedora is running Gnome 3.4 etc REL is
still rrunning Gnome 2.x and accessibility is still a couple of years
out of date comparatively speaking. However, on the flip side of this
because Red Hat Enterprise uses stable older well tested packages it
is far more stable than something like Ubuntu which  tends to run with
the bleeding edge code and as we can see with 12.04 Precise not all
the bugs were worked out of Precise upon stable release where
enterprise grade Linux distributions tend to hold off on updates in
favor of long term stability. Since Fedora, like Ubuntu tends to be on
the bleeding edge, I'm not sure how it compares to Red Hat Enterprise.

Cheers!


On 6/13/12, Alex Midence<alex midence gmail com>  wrote:

Hi, Robert,

I'll try it out as soon as the installation kinks are worked out for
accessibility.  What little vision remains to me is good for telling
when the lights are on and off and for when it's day or night
which is
essentially the same thing.  Not much use on a computer screen so
speech is the ticket for me.  I am keenly interested in learning how
to work with Fedora since it gives you aleg up on Red Hat Enterprise
Linux.  That seems to be where most of the Linux-based jobs are at
these days.  It makes sense to try and get some marketability in what
I learn about Linux since I spend so much time on it.  Who knows?
Some day, it might help pay the bills!  REL is very important in that
regard because it is so so popular as an enterprise solution.

Alex M


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