Re: trash/delete prompt

[Olav Vitters <olav bkor dhs org>]

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:23:48PM +0100, Milosz Derezynski wrote:
> However, I want to take reservation against the allgeiation that I've
> said that Linux is "like Windows". It was merely one of many possible
> examples. I guess Linux people (at least others than me, as I'm not
> that sensitive or rather, focused on these) really need to desensitize
> to the words "Windows" and maybe to at least some extent "Microsoft",
> at least when both are used in a technical context.

You're getting a bit personal it seems. Suggest to not use 'Linux
people', too generic and it is not constructive.

> > why
> > instruct them to depend on the computer to second guess every decision
> > they make?
> >
> 
> But here, I can not follow anymore. Sure what I described seems like
> an elaborate plan, and there's always this fear of "too much noise" on
> the GUI on GNOME. Once this would be implemented, and there was an
> easy way to turn it off, I'm pretty sure these novices would like it.

People don't agree for reasons explained before. Having an option to not
be annoying is strange, should not be annoying as per default.

> You can always anticipate what users will do, will not do, need or won't
> need. But that isn't the point,
> and it is *not* a usability discussion if you do that. That is application
> design (of which part is also
> usability but from a quite different angle).

Don't agree, it is usability that drives how the app works.

> The point is, and that's what usability in our thread's context is, is
> to allow the people to do that *what* they do and what they *can* do
> *with* the app in such a way that it is non-disruptive, intuitive and
> unambigous.

We don't want loads of options and knobs.

> Adding the notification bubble upon deletion would in my eyes solve the
> ambiguity problems with the Trash Can.

Notificatiion upon moving to trash would be annoy quickly. However, some
kind of notification thing might be interesting. However, such stuff has
drawbacks. If it is annoying for many people / not useful (usability),
then it should not be on by default and in that case, no point in having
it.

> You can also see it, even though it is a concrete example, as an
> abstract plan that "something should notify the user that the files
> landed in a trash folder from which they can be put back again", based
> on which many different scenarios on how that is supposed to happen
> can be imagined.

This part makes sense. However, I still disagree with notification
bubbles for moving to trash. Too annoying. Don't care if you make it out
to be not innovating / not liking Microsoft. Such arguments are
tiresome and make me ignore the thread.

-- 
Regards,
Olav