Re: trash/delete prompt

[Andre Klapper <ak-47 gmx net>]

Hi Sean,

Am Sonntag, den 15.03.2009, 16:08 -0400 schrieb sjohnsonaz aol com:
> While I understand that a prompt on something like "play" is
> unnecessary, "play" doesn't change anything related to data.  For any
> "read" feature, there is absolutely no reason for a prompt.  But in
> the case of a writing feature, especially one where a user may lose
> their data, a prompt is ABSOLUTELY necessary.

I agree, but moving something to Trash is not about losing data.
Expunging the trash is about losing data, that's why you get a
confirmation dialog by default for that case.

>   Now, that being said, I realize that in the case of nautilus, it
> only moves the file to the trash.  

Ah. Yupp. :-)

[snip]

> I hope you can understand my concerns.  Your curt response to my
> previous message was ABSOLUTELY uncalled for.  

Sorry, my post wasn't meant offending.
I should have already elaborated my point of view in my last posting, so
let me try:

Users get used to such dialogs. Users get conditioned. Users don't read
such dialogs anymore because it's a standard action that you do several
times. After the 5th time you know "I click the left button to make that
annoying dialog go away". That's why I want confirmation dialogs only if
*really* needed (like warning when permanently deleting data).
I've seen people not reading such dialogs many times in my life (both
others and me myself back in the days running other operating systems).
See the two pictures on page 5 of
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/phishing.pdf for a very nice
example.

> Isn't one of the fundamental goals of open source software to provide
> a strong channel of communication between developers and end-users?
> This kind of response does not speak well of your project.

I'm not a nautilus developer. I'm part of the GNOME project and I can
only speak for myself. Others may not share my opinions (in fact I do
hope so, because that's what progress is all about).

andre


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andre Klapper <ak-47 gmx net>
> To: sjohnsonaz aol com
> Cc: nautilus-list gnome org
> Sent: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 8:18 am
> Subject: Re: trash/delete prompt
> 
> Am Samstag, den 07.03.2009, 19:10 -0500 schrieb sjohnsonaz aol com:
> > I'm in the process of migrating to nautilus, however I've become
> > concerned that there is no prompt before sending file to the trash.  I
> > realize it prompts before deleting, but without a trash prompt as
> > well, this may cause problems for unsuspecting users.
> 
> Well, if users move something into trash, what do they expect?
> 
> It might sound sarcastic but to me it's like pushing the "Play" button
> of my music software and getting a popup
> "This will start playing sound from your speakers. This might be loud.
> Are you really sure you want to do this? [OK] [Cancel]"
> 
> > Is this option available, and if not, could it be added to the queue
> > for the next release?
> 
> Please not yet another "Are you really really really sure?" dialog. 
> Nothing will be permanently deleted when moving something to trash.
> No need for a dialog at all.
> 
> Feel free to file an enhancement request in bugzilla.gnome.org (if there
> isn't one already), but I'm certain that this is a WONTFIX.
> 
> andre
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