On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 10:43 -0600, Brian Cameron wrote: > Nelson: > > Coming up with a good campaign requires a lot of discussion, and > takes time to develop properly. It is tricky to get the associations > right on. > > I do think that there is general agreement that associating GNOME with > a positive and humanitarian cause is a good idea. Also, who does not > like fuzzy animals. > > As I suggested before, why don't we pick animals that have recovered > from being extinct, such as the bald eagle, the grizzly bear, the > gray wolf, the green sea turtle, or the Florida panther? Did we had a role in that recovery? That option doesn't provide it. While we can act on a positive way, actually doing something, we should turn out backs to it and go for the easier way? That's a fine a example we give to our free contributors. Messes with my ethical senses. I do like victory knots on my belt, but only if I contributed for them. Why should we advertise other people's work? Do we benefit anything from it? That doesn't sound like a cause to me, just some plain cheap obtained interest. We should show commitment (as our developers show to us), and not trying to cut some slack on other peoples work. > > This brings attention to the humanitarian issue and the danger of > animals becoming extinct, but focuses on growth, solution, and > the positive. This could hopefully create the association that > likewise GNOME is a positive solution to a problem (like freedom > becoming extinct). > > Brian > > > > On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 08:51 -0700, Stormy Peters wrote: > >> So I really don't think that naming releases after endangered species > >> will make us look like an endangered species. And I think being > >> associated with cute animals is almost always a good thing. > > > > Thanks for the support, but I don't believe we should continue this. > > Brian's concerns are valid. We might become an endangered species. Like > > most Portuguese of my age, I've served in the military (Air Force > > Police), my former unit was RESCOM (Rescue& Combat), we were trained in > > incursion and extraction of personnel behind enemy lines. Our badge was > > an Iberian Lynx over a dagger, this was how I knew the Iberian Lynx. > > That unit had been disbanded in 2004. So, it's a fine example of Brian's > > statement, it ended up by disappearing, and he is right also as we > > might be handing free ammunition to all the GNOME haters outside. > > > > Sort out a theme that doesn't offend no one, I'm willing to place work > > on such campaign. > > > >> But I do like the idea of picking a humanitarian cause more related to > >> us. Is there something in the developing world or technology related > >> that we can link to? Could we pick animals in areas we'd like to help? > >> > >> Stormy > >> > >> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 4:34 AM, Brian Cameron<Brian Cameron sun com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Nelson: > >> > >> I also agree that a humanitarian theme is a something that > >> appeals to > >> me. However, picking the names of endangered species may not > >> be the > >> message that we want to communicate. This may create the > >> undesirable > >> association that GNOME itself is an "endangered species". > >> This could > >> create bad press and ammo for critics. It would be damaging > >> to have > >> people start making jokes about GNOME 3.0 being the "Dodo > >> Release", for > >> example. > >> > >> I would prefer to associate GNOME with a humanitarian cause > >> that > >> also communicates growth rather than being dangerously close > >> to > >> extinction. For example, why not name GNOME after a species > >> that > >> has recovered from being extinct, or with something like solar > >> energy. This communicates a more upbeat and positive message > >> about > >> the brand, avoids such negative associations, and still > >> promotes > >> humanitarian issues. > >> > >> Brian > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I appreciate that it's a nice idea to adopt > >> humanitarian causes as a way > >> of having some of the good feelings people > >> have for them to rub off on us. > >> > >> But I really don't like the whole endangered > >> species angle. Let me > >> explain why: > >> > >> I have some more suggestions for names: "Lucid > >> Lynx", "Intrepid Ibex", > >> "Jaunty Jackalope", "Hardy Heron"... > >> > >> I don't mean to put a kybosh on the idea > >> altogether, but the animal name > >> thing isn't really original, given Ubuntu. > >> > >> I couldn't care less. Point me some originality in > >> Ubuntu, and I can > >> consider my position. > >> > >> > >> > >> And the iLynx suggestion in the original > >> proposal seems a but Applish, > >> no? In addition to the "iSomething" > >> convention, Apple has used Cheetah, > >> Puma, Jaguar, Panther, Tiger, Leopard and Snow > >> Leopard as OS X release > >> codenames, so choosing a big cat doesn't seem > >> like a good idea. > >> > >> I've supplied alternatives. I've choosen the Iberian > >> Lynx as a form to > >> translate my thoughts because he lives in Portugal and > >> Spain and he is > >> my neighbor. Didn't felt like loosing time searching > >> for other species. > >> I did flavoured a national cause (Portugal and Spain), > >> because I am > >> Portuguese. > >> > >> > >> One other negative remark - do we really want > >> to have GNOME associated > >> with extinct or almost extinct animals? While > >> the Siberian Tiger, the > >> Iberian Lynx, the Javan Rhino and the Mountain > >> Gorilla make for nice > >> icons, there are almost none left, and their > >> population is in decline. > >> Is that the association we want people to make > >> when they think of GNOME? > >> > >> Anyway - sorry to be the party pooper. > >> > >> Well, it's better than associating it with Genghis > >> Kahn (aka Temujin) > >> the Impaler. Do I see some sense here? > >> > >> And from another point of view: http://www.unep.ch/ > >> It is a subject being supported by the United > >> Nations. And even > >> further: http://www.unep.org/awards/>> Do we have a > >> GNOME Logo there? > >> If such thing happened, what were the benefits GNOME > >> would take from > >> it? > >> > >> My 2 cents, > >> > >> PS: I've offered alternatives, such as the Spider > >> Monkeys and the Red > >> Wolfs during this thread. Spider Monkeys means > >> fighting against the > >> de-florestation of the Amazonian Rain Forest, and Red > >> Wolfs is a US > >> national cause. In case we aint going for the cats. > >> > >> nelson > >> > >> > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Dave. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> marketing-list mailing list > >> marketing-list gnome org > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > >> > >> > >
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