Re: Gnome 3 and computer shut down

[Rowland Penny <hortimech f2s com>]

On 20/06/11 13:50, Christian Resnik wrote:
> On 06/20/2011 02:31 PM, Rowland Penny wrote:
> > On 20/06/11 13:06, Olav Vitters wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:49:03PM +0100, Rowland Penny wrote:
> > > > On 20/06/11 12:26, Olav Vitters wrote:
> > > > > You can disagree with that, but release wise there is nothing wrong
> > > > > with how 3.0 was handled.
> > > > You are quite right I do disagree. In my opinion there is plenty
> > > > wrong with the way it was handled.
> > > Could you expand on that? We're (speaking as a release-team person) 
> > > open
> > > to feedback, suggestions, criticism...
>
> I think it's not right to blame Olav for anything. He's nice enough to 
> ask for feedback and now it's up to you to provide some.
I personally am not blaming Olav for anything, he asked for feedback and 
I gave it from MY perspective.

> > As I said earlier, I only found out that Gnome 3 was coming when it was
> > well into development. The developers should have firstly looked at
> > Gnome 2 and asked what is wrong with it, what do users what/need and
> > then come up with a draft design and thrown it open for discussion. If
> > this happened I never found it mentioned anywhere.
>
> Given all the coverage of GNOME 3, I find it hard to believe that you 
> didn't know GNOME 3 was coming.
> Apparently, GNOME developers were asking around (according to 
> themselves) before taking decisions. But I cannot help feeling that 
> instead of users they only asked themselves, they were happy with what 
> they had created and then released it.
I never said that I didn't know it was coming, only that I only found 
out about it when it was well under construction. I personally do not go 
looking for a new desktop when I am happy what I have got.

> > In my opinion Gnome 3 as standard is not fit for purpose as a desktop
> > for general use, I tried to use it, found that things that I have taken
> > for granted were seemingly not there or if they were there I had to
> > click the mouse several times and move all over the screen, and you call
> > this progress, I call it a mess.
>
> I'm not too happy with GNOME 3 either (missing shutdown option, no 
> icons/folders/files on desktop, ect) but apparently so were a lot of 
> people with KDE 4.0. Since then, things got much better and this is 
> what I'm hoping for on GNOME 3.
So you are happy to wait 18 months and get a desktop that is still not 
as good as the last major version?

> > I had to spend several hours on google to get a semi working desktop but
> > I am still not happy and will probably have to invest more time to put
> > right what the developers have messed up.
> > I can think of only one thing worse than Gnome 3, Unity - this forced me
> > to change distro, unity is far worse than Gnome.
>
> Unity is not that bad... it's closer to GNOME 2 than GNOME 3 actually. 
> Ironically, using Unity on a large screen is much more fun than on a 
> small laptop, although Unity was originally developed for netbooks.
> The lack of default option (e.g. resizing icons) is a bit worrying but 
> maybe this will be fixed in oneiric.
Unity ( in my opinion ) is absolutely terrible, I tried it originally on 
a netbook, this was like trying to wade through treacle it was that 
slow, it was quickly remove in favour of Gnome 2. I was running Ubuntu 
10.10 on my laptop until I upgraded to 11.04, I tried to get on with 
unity but I couldn't. So, after browsing the internet, I jumped ship to 
Fedora 14 and used that until F15 came out. I gave this some time to 
settle and the upgraded, this is where I came in, I now am using 
gnome-shell but with several alterations to make it usable.
As an aside, I have just received my latest copy of Linux Format and 
they have an article on hacking Gnome 3. I could have written it, as it 
would seem to cover just what I have had to do to get a working desktop.
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