Re: Gnome 3 and computer shut down

[Christian Resnik <cresnik ee ethz ch>]

On 06/20/2011 02:31 PM, Rowland Penny wrote:
> On 20/06/11 13:06, Olav Vitters wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:49:03PM +0100, Rowland Penny wrote:
> > > On 20/06/11 12:26, Olav Vitters wrote:
> > > > You can disagree with that, but release wise there is nothing wrong
> > > > with how 3.0 was handled.
> > > You are quite right I do disagree. In my opinion there is plenty
> > > wrong with the way it was handled.
> > Could you expand on that? We're (speaking as a release-team person) open
> > to feedback, suggestions, criticism...

I think it's not right to blame Olav for anything. He's nice enough to 
ask for feedback and now it's up to you to provide some.

> As I said earlier, I only found out that Gnome 3 was coming when it was
> well into development. The developers should have firstly looked at
> Gnome 2 and asked what is wrong with it, what do users what/need and
> then come up with a draft design and thrown it open for discussion. If
> this happened I never found it mentioned anywhere.

Given all the coverage of GNOME 3, I find it hard to believe that you 
didn't know GNOME 3 was coming.
Apparently, GNOME developers were asking around (according to 
themselves) before taking decisions. But I cannot help feeling that 
instead of users they only asked themselves, they were happy with what 
they had created and then released it.

> In my opinion Gnome 3 as standard is not fit for purpose as a desktop
> for general use, I tried to use it, found that things that I have taken
> for granted were seemingly not there or if they were there I had to
> click the mouse several times and move all over the screen, and you call
> this progress, I call it a mess.

I'm not too happy with GNOME 3 either (missing shutdown option, no 
icons/folders/files on desktop, ect) but apparently so were a lot of 
people with KDE 4.0. Since then, things got much better and this is what 
I'm hoping for on GNOME 3.

> I had to spend several hours on google to get a semi working desktop but
> I am still not happy and will probably have to invest more time to put
> right what the developers have messed up.
> I can think of only one thing worse than Gnome 3, Unity - this forced me
> to change distro, unity is far worse than Gnome.

Unity is not that bad... it's closer to GNOME 2 than GNOME 3 actually. 
Ironically, using Unity on a large screen is much more fun than on a 
small laptop, although Unity was originally developed for netbooks.
The lack of default option (e.g. resizing icons) is a bit worrying but 
maybe this will be fixed in oneiric.