Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009

["Luis Villa" <luis tieguy org>]

I might suggest that this is a completely unproductive discussion that
should go off-list until someone actually has a solid proposal on the
table from a politically/morally/ethically/whatever-ly questionable
regime. We've all got better things to do than to rehash potentially
important but utterly predictable and utterly unoriginal political
discussions over and over again. There are many other places on the
internet for that.

Luis

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Ali Sabil <ali sabil gmail com> wrote:
> On 4/23/08, BJörn Lindqvist <bjourne gmail com> wrote:
>  > I fully agree. We think that the actions of the gnome foundation has a
>  >  profound impact on the world, that the choice of venue is important.
>  >  That holding the conference in morocco lends the moroccian *regime*
>  >  credibility it does not deserve.
>  >
>  Wouldn't you be just spreading some kind of FUD ? What do you know
>  about the Moroccan (not moroccian) regime and history ? What did the
>  Moroccan people did to you ? Did you ever think that you should stop
>  trying to keep the freedom for yourself and start sharing it with
>  those who may not have it ?
>
>  Maybe should you rethink your "We are the good guys, they are the ugly
>  guys" kind of mentality ?
>
>  Respectfully,
>
>  --
>  Ali
>
>
>
>  >
>  >  2008/4/22, Behdad Esfahbod <behdad behdad org>:
>  >  > On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 19:03 +0000, BJörn Lindqvist wrote:
>  >  > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Behdad Esfahbod <behdad behdad org>
>  >  > wrote:
>  >  > > >  About GUADEC out of Europe, that's fine as long as the place is Ok for
>  >  > > >  travel.  Bangalore has the same problem that US has.  Too far...  That
>  >  > > >  said, I love to see GUADEC '11 in Morocco for example...
>  >  > >
>  >  > > I wouldn't. GNOME is all about creating more freedom, Morocco is all
>  >  > > about taking away those freedoms. It would seem weird if the
>  >  > > conference was hosted in a country so diametrically opposed to what
>  >  > > GNOME stands for. That and the burning summer heat. :)
>  >  >
>  >  > GNOME is People.  Do you have any evidence that the Moroccan *people*
>  >  > are opposed to the values GNOME stands for?  We think we in GNOME have a
>  >  > great thing to offer, and any person on this planet deserves being part
>  >  > of this the same as any other one.  "Those people have an oppressing
>  >  > regime, ignore them" is not a really compelling idea to me.
>  >  >
>  >  > --
>  >  > behdad
>  >  > http://behdad.org/
>  >  >
>  >  > "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little
>  >  >  Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
>  >  >         -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  --
>  >  mvh Björn
>  >
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