Re: [Evolution] LDAP server update with Evolution

[Tony Earnshaw <tonni billy demon nl>]

tor, 2003-01-09 kl. 17:55 skrev Chris Toshok:

> mailGroup and the lachman/laser stuff seem more geared toward mail
> delivery, letting you specify which mailHost to use for a particular
> address, which addresses are local, etc.

O.k. but not the Lachmann-Laser draft I have. That only covers
formatting of mail objectClasses.

And IMHO choosing what mail server to use is like buttering pork fat to
make it more fatty (Norwegian expression: "smør på flesk"). Waste of
time and energy.

> There's another draft, from which rfc822MailMember seems to originate
> (expired 1999):
>
> http://www.globecom.net/ietf/draft/draft-srivastava-ldap-mail-00.html

Openldap.org just uses it.

> Yeah, nisMailAlias is another alternative, but for some reason (I don't
> really understand it myself, possibly because of my tour as a sysadmin)
> I find myself wanting to steer clear of anything with "NIS" in its name
> :)

That's really the reason I replied to this one - I had to laugh. My
experience is exactly the same - nasty taste in the mouth for ever and
ever. However, think of NIS as being nsswitch.conf, in which you can ban
NIS for ever. It's only a name, like the bogey man.

> Well the only thing we really need to decide upon is the attribute
> that'll be used to hold raw email addresses, since that basically
> dictates what structural classes we'll be able to interoperate with. 
> Whatever objectclass mozilla/evolution ends up using should be auxiliary
> - We'll need another objectClass anyway to store mua specific things,
> like "hide the email addresses when i send email to this list",

Hadn't thought of that. I just did a test, sent to unqualified
localmailgroup out of Evo 1.2.1 and read the headers of what I received:

__________________________________________________________________

Return-path: <tonni billy demon nl>
Envelope-to: localmailgroup billy demon nl
Delivery-date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 19:12:26 +0100
Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by billy.demon.nl with asmtp
        (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.12) id 18Wh9b-0003li-00 for
        localmailgroup billy demon nl; Thu, 09 Jan 2003 19:11:43 +0100
Subject: Test 1
From: Tony Earnshaw <tonni billy demon nl>
To: localmailgroup billy demon nl
Content-Type: text/plain
Organization: 
Message-Id: <1042135901 13231 83 camel localhost>
Mime-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.1 
Date: 09 Jan 2003 19:11:42 +0100
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Evolution-Source: imap://tonye localhost/

Test 1
____________________________________________________________________

Maybe if it had been sent seriously, the headers would have been
different. 

So I sent it to a member at an Internet address:
_____________________________________________________________________

Return-path: <tonni billy demon nl>
Envelope-to: tonni billy demon nl
Delivery-date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 20:17:22 +0100
Received: from punt-15.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.24]) by
        billy.demon.nl with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18WiB1-0003vn-00 for
        tonni billy demon nl; Thu, 09 Jan 2003 20:17:15 +0100
Received: from punt-17.mail.nl.demon.net by mailstore for
        tonni billy demon nl id 1042139048:17:05054:10; Thu, 09 Jan 2003
19:04:08
        GMT
Received: from relay-12.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.28]) by
        punt-17.mail.nl.demon.net  id aa1705065; 9 Jan 2003 19:04 GMT
Received: from [158.36.191.136] (helo=developer.skolelinux.no) by
        relay-12.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id
18WhyI-000Jpy-00
        for tonni billy demon nl; Thu, 09 Jan 2003 19:04:06 +0000
Received: by developer.skolelinux.no (Postfix) id EFF522D6E1; Thu,  9
Jan
        2003 20:04:06 +0100 (CET)
Delivered-To: tonni developer skolelinux no
Received: from billy.demon.nl (billy.demon.nl [212.238.97.135]) by
        developer.skolelinux.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id D215E2D6DF for
        <tonni developer skolelinux no>; Thu,  9 Jan 2003 20:03:59 +0100
(CET)
Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by billy.demon.nl with asmtp
        (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.12) id 18Whxe-0003oq-00 for
        localmailgroup billy demon nl; Thu, 09 Jan 2003 20:03:26 +0100
Subject: Test 1
From: Tony Earnshaw <tonni billy demon nl>
To: localmailgroup billy demon nl
Content-Type: text/plain
Organization: 
Message-Id: <1042139004 13239 139 camel localhost>
Mime-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.1 
Date: 09 Jan 2003 20:03:25 +0100
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Evolution-Source: imap://tonye localhost/

Test 1
________________________________________________________________________

It doesn't show the individual addresses, so you should be able to
forget that one. Or perhaps that's MTA dependant? Everybody should use
Exim?


> MS likes to store filters in their active directory stuff (at least I've
> seen a few in my dealings with it), so it wouldn't suprise me if they
> support something like membershipFilter (from the srivastava draft).. 
> And that might be a good feature to add to evolution, but I'm loathe to
> fire off nested queries to fully resolve an object (which is the reason
> I hate groupOf{Unique}Names).

Me too.

Best,

Tony

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Tony Earnshaw

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