Re: [Evolution] LDAP support

Can we please just stop this thread? Like it or not it is *not*
compatable with the GPL so give it a rest. If you don't believe it then
ask Richard Stallman at the FSF. Since he says it's incompatable, we are
not going to link with it.

I really don't want to be discussing legal dribble anymore.


On 11 Apr 2001 10:40:06 -0500, Matthew Vanecek wrote:
On 11 Apr 2001 09:00:51 +0930, Not Zed wrote:
Go read the page i referenced earlier.

End of thread.

I did read the page you referenced earlier, which is how I got to the
OpenLDAP license.  The page you referenced is a knee-jerk reaction to a
license which does not have "GPL" as a name.

The OpenLDAP license is not incompatible with the GPL.  The page you
reference states that it is, because the OpenLDAP says you may not use
the OpenLDAP name to advertise derivative works, and that you may not
use "OpenLDAP" as part of the name of your derivative work, without
prior written permission.  I've read the GPL, and nowhere in there does
it mention ANYTHING about advertising or naming conventions of works.

The license is the final authority, and not some extremist FSF fanatic's
opinion.  The text and spirit of the OpenLDAP license is very
complementary to the text and spirit of the GPL.

The FSF has issues with any license which is not titled "GNU GENERAL
PUBLIC LICENSE".  They would even like to dispense with the LGPL,
according to some more extreme rhetoric I've read in the past.  Those
issues, however, do not mean that a given license is 'incompatible' with
the GPL.

The OpenLDAP is *not* incompatible with the GPL, and it *is* ok, both
legally and spiritually, to distribute binary code linked to the
OpenLDAP libraries--especially since Evolution presumably only uses the
proffered interface.

Consider xmcd--when Motif was non-free, it was still linked to Motif,
and under the GPL, and there weren't any license compatibility issues.
How is this different?

On 10 Apr 2001 10:20:28 -0500, Matthew Vanecek wrote:
On 10 Apr 2001 12:18:05 +0930, Not Zed wrote:
For now, you will HAVE to compile it yourself, we cannot distribute such
binaries as it voilates the license we have chosen to use for Evolution
- the GPL.

Simply because the  Oh-So-Powerful-And-Wonderful FSF says that a license
is incompatible with the GPL does not necessarily make it so.  I read
the OpenLDAP license, such as it is, and I fail to see the conflict.
You're not saying "Use Evolution because it supports OpenLDAP!"
(although I have trouble seeing how one could POSSIBLY consider
Evolution a derivative work from OpenLDAP!), and you don't call your
product "OpenLDAP Evolution" or "Evolution-OpenLDAP" or anything like

The only possible obstacle I could detect (using a VERY large leap and
twisting as hard as I could, to make it an obstacle), is in section 6 of
the OpenLDAP license--you must give OpenLDAP due credit.  Well, duh!
("We used OpenLDAP at"; -- problem solved!).

Distributing binary distributions of Evolution linked to OpenLDAP is not
a problem because:

        * Evolution is not a derivative work of OpenLDAP
        * Even if Evolution *were* a derivative work, it does not use
          the name "OpenLDAP" for promotional purposes
        * Even if Evolution *were* a derivative work, it does not use
          "OpenLDAP" anywhere in its name
        * There are no restrictions in the OpenLDAP license on
          distributing code which is linked to the OpenLDAP libraries,
          nor are the re-distribution restrictions of OpenLDAP
          incompatible with GPL (redistribution must contain a copy of
          the copyright notice--sounds vaguely GPL-ish to me...)

I've read the GPL as distributed by Evoluiton (v2, 1991), and the
OpenLDAP license
(, both several
times, and I fail to see the conflict.

I caution you to pay less attention to RMS and more attention to
reality.  The two are not always in sync with each other...

Matthew Vanecek
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For 93 million miles, there is nothing between the sun and my shadow except me.
I'm always getting in the way of something...

Matthew Vanecek
perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
For 93 million miles, there is nothing between the sun and my shadow except me.
I'm always getting in the way of something...

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