Re: GNOME 3.0 in March 2011

[Xavier Claessens <xclaesse gmail com>]

Le 29/07/10 09:56, Bastien Nocera a écrit :
> On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 09:24 +0200, Frederic Peters wrote:
> > Paolo Borelli wrote:
> >
> > > I still would like to have a definitive description of what 2.32 apps
> > > can and cannot use: for instance will the new glib be part of the
> > > release (and hence gsettings etc)?
> >
> > There will be both a glib and a GTK+ 2.x release in September; modules
> > should still be ported to use GSettings, hopefully a GtkApplication
> > backport will land soon in GTK+ and module are encouraged to use it.
> >
> > Also the GTK+ 3 migrating story ("get your module building with gseal,
> > without using deprecated parts, and it will work") should still hold
> > true; there was a GTK+ meeting yesterday, probably they will send
> > minutes and a detailed status update.
> >
> > In the specific case of gedit, there's the issue of libpeas, it is
> > really your call if you want to start using it already in 2.32.
>
> Given that apps that wanted to port to GSettings are already ported, I
> really don't see why we're advising to use GTK+ 2.x/3.x selection at
> configure-time when we've been telling people to target GTK+ 3.x.

IMO the big mistake here is to have accepted modules to drop GTK2 
compatibility. I told the RT to make clear that modules must keep that 
compatibility, but they are only realizing it now... I think we should 
now remember: NEVER DEPEND ON GTK VERSION THAT ARE NOT RELEASED EARLY IN 
GNOME SCHEDULE!!! We already had that issue in the past, and we did the 
same mistake again.

> Speaking about my modules, I will not accept any changes to make them
> work with GTK+ 2.x again, nor would I want people to waste their times
> doing that.

Why? As I understand, GTK3's only advantage is to have GtkApplication, 
which is being backported to 2.22, right? So I don't see why you can't 
make a --enable-gtk3 switch in your modules. Empathy is doing that from 
the beginning, and it works fine.

> The 2.32 story is inexistent: "Hey, you have a couple of weeks to
> release something that you didn't plan for, and that didn't exist".

If I understood, the story for 2.32 is the same than what we planned to 
be 3.0 so far. Except:
1) modules should release with the version '2.32' instead of '3.0'.
2) gnome-shell won't be part of that release
3) modules must build with GTK 2.22, with extra bonus if they also build 
with 3.0.
4) did I forgot something else?

Regards,
Xavier Claessens.