Re: [Vala] Hi, Is Vala what I am looking for?

["Andrés G. Aragoneses" <knocte gmail com>]

Jiří Zárevúcky wrote:
> On 09/23/2009 05:24 PM, "Andrés G. Aragoneses" wrote:
> > Jiří Zárevúcky wrote:
> >   
> > > On 09/21/2009 10:52 PM, "Andrés G. Aragoneses" wrote:
> > >     
> > > > [...]
> > > > Of course, what I'm talking about is about adding one more user choice,
> > > > not "removal of Mono" like the subject of the original thread is named
> > > > (especially if you consider that I work for Novell on some Mono class
> > > > libraries ;) ). At last, what you could say is "removal of Mono
> > > > runtime"
> > > > if we want to refer to this topic.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > >      Andres
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >        
> > > You can't compile C# code with what Vala uses. It just wouldn't work.
> > > Ever. C# code is *designed* to work under GC and by replacing Mono with
> > > something different you achieve nothing. I can't believe people still
> > > bring up such topics.
> > >      
> > Hey Jiri,
> >
> > (Short question: with "ever", do you mean even contributing patches to
> > the Vala Project?)
> >
> > Longer questions:  many thanks for your input. Sorry but it's the first
> > time I see someone mentioning that C# is *designed* to work under GC. I
> > mean, of course I knew it was, but I didn't know that meant for sure
> > that it cannot ever work with a reference counting approach. Can you
> > tell me the exact bits of the C# grammar that would disallow this? I
> > mean, what's the fundamental difference between Vala language and C#
> > language (note I'm not talking about runtimes here) in respect to GC?
> > Let me guess for a sec: are the keywords "owned" and "unowned" related?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >     Andres
> >
> >    
>
> You misread me. I'm not talking about C#, I'm talking about code written

Hehe, well if someone says "C# is designed..." then I have to understand
that.


> in it. Changes you would need to do in C# program to make it work with
> GObject are far from trivial and certainly not doable by a compiler. In
> another words: porting program from C# to Vala is very difficult even
> for a human, and I'm not even beginning to think about reflection and

Right, then we're not talking about the same thing. Reflection is an
API, not part of the language.


> such. You essentially need to rewrite it completely, so if the similar
> syntax led you to believe this is achievable by compiler, you are quite
> wrong.

Thanks,

        Andrés

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