Re: [Usability]Attempt at constructive criticism - "Why Gnome 2 sucks for me"

[Ryan Muldoon <rpmuldoon students wisc edu>]

This is getting pretty unacceptable.  I've been reading this thread,
hoping that both sides will just realize that there is a difference of
opinion, but everyone is trying to improve GNOME in the way that they
can.  I think Havoc et al have been very reasonable in this discussion,
but you insist on implying that they are somehow corporate whores,
taking money to intentionally destroy GNOME or something.  Which is
beyond silly.  Havoc has been working on GNOME for many years, and has a
whole lot more invested in it than you or I, sheerly in terms of
effort.  His (laudable) goal is to get his and others' work on GNOME out
to as many people as possible.  I personally rather like all of the
changes that have gone into GNOME2, because as a whole, it is a lot more
coherent, and out of my way.  And I initially got into GNOME because it
was more configurable and such.  But really, we are in a tiny tiny
minority of people that actually care what their desktop environment is,
and what the toolkit is, etc.  The "power users" that do can still tweak
things with gconf, which is a very nicely designed configuration
system.  GNOME is still fun for a whole lot of people.  I don't do
development on it, but I still enjoy trying things out and giving people
suggestions, and frankly I am impressed with how responsive developers
are.  But it is their job to cull all of the various opinions, and work
out a coherent vision for how GNOME is going to work.  To claim that
they are out to make millions of dollars off of GNOME by implementing
some evil corporate scheme simply because they are disagreeing with you
is just being offensive.  Courtesy might suggest that you would want to
apologize.  If you want to remain on the constructive side of criticism,
try to avoid claiming that they are profiteers....people might take you
a little more seriously.

	--Ryan

On Thu, 2002-08-29 at 14:04, Ali Akcaagac wrote:
> On Thu, 2002-08-29 at 19:12, Daniel Borgmann wrote:
> > I see lots of this situations and the developers do a remarkable job
> > at listening so far (IMHO).
> 
> > This isn't happening. If something doesn't work for you then ask about
> > it, I'm sure people here will listen.
> 
> these 2 lines are a good joke... but i am not sure if i should laugh
> about it. no doubt there are people that are interested in getting
> things better in gnome 2. but there are also a lot of ignorance from
> certain individuals that work on gnome. unfortunately the ignorance is
> taking overhand.... as soon as money start to come into the game or
> commercial companies start to show their own interestes for their well
> paying customers. as soon things start to stink. that's the problem
> everywhere.
> 
> my personal impression about gnome is that there are 2 camps working on
> it. those that have understood the situation and those that don't have
> yet. last named one are mostly the calm friendly fun people that you can
> have a talk with, that do things for fun. first named ones are those who
> follow other business related interests. those that shut down their head
> as soon as constructive critics come from outside. those that signed any
> contracts on other people's work for own profit.
> 
> -- 
> Name....: Ali Akcaagac
> Status..: Student Of Computer & Economic Science
> E-Mail..: mailto:ali akcaagac stud fh-wilhelmshaven de
> WWW.....: http://www.fh-wilhelmshaven.de/~akcaagaa
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