Re: [orca-list] Chromium: Not there yet, but making progress!

[Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>]

Hi Jace.

Because things are not ready for user testing, you don't have any need
to build Chromium yet. When things are ready for user testing, they
should hopefully be included in a downloadable package for your distro.
Thus you shouldn't have any need to build Chromium later either.

--joanie

On 3/20/19 4:46 PM, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list wrote:
> Just read all this and I'm excited, and this is going to be a silly
> question.....but.....okay, one probably silly question since I'm not
> used to building Chromium. I'll assume I don't neeed to build the whole
> OS, correct when the time comes....as that's what the search engines
> provide for building Chromium
>
>
>  Lets say I build Chromium from source following these instructions.
> Will I still get the updates as if I'd installed Chromium from a
> distro's repo?
>
> On 20/03/2019 18:33, Halim Sahin wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Many Thanks all people for their work for a11y at all.
> >
> > My concerns regarding a11y are these days only the wayland transition.
> >
> > It's allways smae thing. People doing great and hard job for making
> > things accessible.
> > Now if they are allmost finished some guys start a new project which
> > breaks a11y and the developers start from scratch.
> >
> > Sorry it's a bit OT now.
> > MfG.
> > Halim Sahin
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 02:24:02PM -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > > True in many cases. I don't think that's what we're dealing with in this
> > > particular case. We're not retrofitting things as much as we are
> > > translating the baked-in platform-agnostic accessibility support into
> > > ATK.
> > >
> > > Microsoft and others will be doing the same thing now that Edge is going
> > > to be based on Chromium. Chromium's accessibility support for Windows is
> > > almost entirely MSAA+IAccessible2. Doing the translation from the
> > > baked-in platform-agnostic accessibility support into UIA needs to be
> > > done, as I understand it, for Narrator to provide access to the new
> > > Edge.
> > >
> > > There have been -- and undoubtedly will continue to be -- things which
> > > that baked-in support didn't anticipate. But I think that's a different
> > > problem than failing to take accessibility into account from the very
> > > beginning.
> > >
> > > FWIW.
> > > --joanie
> > >
> > > On 3/20/19 2:14 PM, Tom Masterson wrote:
> > > > Now if we could just convince companies t bake accessibility i a the
> > > > beginning rather than retrofitting thing would be easier.
> > > >
> > > > Tom
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > > > On Mar 20, 2019, at 11:03, Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, it is a lot of work -- much of it being done by my colleagues at
> > > > > Igalia with the support of Google's accessibility developers. It
> > > > > takes a
> > > > > village to make an accessible user agent. :)
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 3/20/19 1:20 PM, Al Sten-Clanton via orca-list wrote:
> > > > > > Joanie, thank you very much for your work on what I gather must be a
> > > > > > formidable job.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Al
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Joanmarie
> > > > > > Diggs
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 12:10 PM
> > > > > > To: Orca List <orca-list gnome org>
> > > > > > Subject: [orca-list] Chromium: Not there yet, but making progress!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hey all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I promised to update you on the progress being made to make Chromium
> > > > > > accessible via Orca. Structural navigation and *basic* access to
> > > > > > static text
> > > > > > content are now possible. Some widgets are also now accessible.
> > > > > > That's the good news.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That said, please note that there's still a ton that does *not* work
> > > > > > (including text inputs, live regions, complex navigation, text
> > > > > > selection,
> > > > > > etc., etc., etc.). Therefore, I'm *not* ready for user testing yet.
> > > > > > Furthermore, in order to get the stuff that does work, you would
> > > > > > have to
> > > > > > build Chromium from source (which is not a trivial task in time or in
> > > > > > effort).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I promise to tell you when I *am* ready for user testing, and at
> > > > > > that time,
> > > > > > I will also tell you what you will need to do to perform said
> > > > > > testing. In
> > > > > > the meantime, please know that real progress is finally being
> > > > > > made. It is my
> > > > > > hope that Orca 3.34 + Chromium Unstable will be a combination you
> > > > > > all can
> > > > > > use when GNOME 3.34 ships.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Onward and upward!
> > > > > > --joanie
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